Re: QA as a sub-project: draft 'governance' section for the wiki
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 17:29 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
On 03/21/2012 05:10 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 23:59 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > On 03/21/2012 04:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Hey, folks.
> > >
> > > So here's some funny Fedora archaeology: QA is not actually officially
a
> > > Fedora sub-project. I didn't know this (and didn't particularly
care!),
> > > and neither did I know that, aeons ago (well, last year), jlaska kicked
> > > off an attempt to make us one. As sub-project requests are filed as
> > > Board trac tickets, I can't link to it because of the Board's
silly
> > > policy of making trac tickets private, so only they and jlaska can see
> > > it. But I'm assured it exists. If anyone is super-interested in this
> > > exciting, nay thrilling process, it's documented at
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DefiningProjects#Fedora_Projects .
> > >
> > > Anyway, Robyn tells me that with its customary, legendary efficiency and
> > > speed, the Board has come to a swift decision a mere eight months later
> > > that QA should be accepted as a sub-project.
> > I'm a bit amazed that the board is going to approve some proposal that
> > has not been presented to the QA community ( and I'm equally amazed that
> > James did not present that to the QA community )
> >
> > I for one would like to know exactly the details and the content of that
> > ticket and an justification from the board on why it's approving an
> > proposal that affects the whole QA community without the QA community
> > actually knowing anything about it.
The QA community discussed it at a meeting in 2011. Logs are here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110418
We're approving it, in my humble, speaking only for myself opinion,
because Mr. Laska filed the request with what appears to be reasonable
backup and consensus amongst the group.
Sigh. There I go, relying on my memory again. I clearly didn't have
enough lunch whiskey today.
I did check the list archives and didn't find any discussion there, but
forgot to check the meeting archives. My bad!
I was at the meeting but had clearly forgotten all about it. It looks
like you weren't there, Johann, which is probably why you don't remember
it :)
Still, score one for our obsessive recording of meetings!
> As far as I understand it, it really doesn't have any
particular
> material impact on us. It seems to have just been one of those things
> where someone looked at the list of projects -
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects - and wondered why the heck QA
> wasn't on there. As far as I can figure out from the wiki, Official
> Project Status doesn't actually confer any particular responsibilities
> or rights or obligations or anything on us. I can't see where it's going
> to have any kind of concrete impact on what we do, at all. It really
> just seems to be a 'duh, of COURSE QA should be on that list' thing.
The details are copy-pasted here:
At a recent QA team meeting, StylusEater? asked whether Fedora QA was
a project or a SIG. I haven't paid much attention to this designation
so far, since it didn't seem relevant or needed at the time. However,
StylusEater? noted this came up while investigating adding "Quality
Assurance" to the list of sub-projects on the wiki left navigation
menu. It would be nice to include "Quality Assurance" on the wiki left
side navigation menu to improve advertising for the team. However, to
be added to that list, the websites team correctly noted that QA must
first be blessed as a sub-project. According to DefiningProjects, the
board is responsible for making this decision.
So, the ultimate goal ... is to include 'quality assurance' under the
list of sub-projects in the left-side navigation menu on the wiki. Is
approval as a project required to achieve this? If so, I'd like to get
the ball rolling to define QA as a sub-project.
Aside: The current state of projects and SIGs is slightly confusing on
the wiki. Fr example, BugZappers?, a QA sub-project, is listed as a
SIG and listed as a project in the left nav-menu. Also, QA is listed
as sub-project on the wiki start page, but not in the list of
projects.
Thanks for the clarification, Robyn! Sorry I didn't double-check this
with you first.
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Adam Williamson
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