11:57 a.m.
In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group just by
yum groupinstall KDE
but in F10 no go. The group name is again "KDE (K Desktop Environment)"
and what is worse, as those group names are localized to various languages,
you can not use those localized group names for installations. So
yum grouplist
will show you the group name in you language, but you can not do
yum groupinstall 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)'
Bug or feature?
Adam Pribyl
noon
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Adam Pribyl wrote:
In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group
just by
yum groupinstall KDE
but in F10 no go. The group name is again "KDE (K Desktop Environment)" and
what is worse, as those group names are localized to various languages, you
can not use those localized group names for installations. So
yum grouplist
will show you the group name in you language, but you can not do
yum groupinstall 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)'
Bug or feature?
You should be able to install by localized name. However, I bet what yum
is getting and what you're inputting are not matching up.
What locale is 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)' in? I'll see if I can figure
out what's not working.
-sv
3:22 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Seth Vidal wrote:
y
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Adam Pribyl wrote:
> In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group just by
>
> yum groupinstall KDE
>
> but in F10 no go. The group name is again "KDE (K Desktop Environment)" and
> what is worse, as those group names are localized to various languages, you
> can not use those localized group names for installations. So
> yum grouplist
> will show you the group name in you language, but you can not do
> yum groupinstall 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)'
>
> Bug or feature?
You should be able to install by localized name. However, I bet what yum is
getting and what you're inputting are not matching up.
Interesting. Copy and paste is not good enought?
What locale is 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)' in? I'll see
if I can figure out
what's not working.
It is locale cs_CZ. I should probably check that RPMFusion is not
colliding somewhere here...
-sv
Adam Pribyl
4:37 a.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Adam Pribyl wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Seth Vidal wrote:
>> yum groupinstall KDE
>>
>> but in F10 no go. The group name is again "KDE (K Desktop Environment)"
OK, so this "keyword" really does not work in F10.
(BTW: same for GNOME too)
>> and what is worse, as those group names are localized to
various
>> languages, you can not use those localized group names for installations.
>> So
>> yum grouplist
>> will show you the group name in you language, but you can not do
>> yum groupinstall 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)'
>>
>> Bug or feature?
>
> You should be able to install by localized name. However, I bet what yum is
> getting and what you're inputting are not matching up.
>
Interesting. Copy and paste is not good enought?
You are right, this seems to work on the other installation of F10 (maybe
I really had a typo in group name...).
Adam Pribyl
9:19 a.m.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Adam Pribyl wrote:
>>> and what is worse, as those group names are localized to
various
>>> languages, you can not use those localized group names for installations.
>>> So
>>> yum grouplist
>>> will show you the group name in you language, but you can not do
>>> yum groupinstall 'KDE (K pracovni prostredi)'
>>>
>>> Bug or feature?
>>
>> You should be able to install by localized name. However, I bet what yum
>> is getting and what you're inputting are not matching up.
>>
>
> Interesting. Copy and paste is not good enought?
You are right, this seems to work on the other installation of F10 (maybe I
really had a typo in group name...).
On the preview release live cd. I logged in as the user selecting czech
my lang was: cs_CZ.UTF8
I ran yum grouplist.
I cut and pasted the string for the KDE group into su -c "yum groupinstall
...."
and it worked correctly.
Can you show me exactly what you cut and pasted?
or even better a screenshot of the whole thing?
-sv
1:30 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Rex Dieter wrote:
Adam Pribyl wrote:
> In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group just by
>
> yum groupinstall KDE
I always use/recommend the safer
yum groupinstall kde-desktop
It shouldn't be any less safe either way.
bug reports are welcome.
-sv
1:42 p.m.
Seth Vidal wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Adam Pribyl wrote:
>
>> In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group just
>> by
>>
>> yum groupinstall KDE
>
> I always use/recommend the safer
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
>
It shouldn't be any less safe either way.
Isn't the "KDE" version a sort of fuzzy match? If so, what happens when
some 3rd party repo creates a "KDE foo" repository?
-- Rex
1:47 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Rex Dieter wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Rex Dieter wrote:
>
>> Adam Pribyl wrote:
>>
>>> In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group just
>>> by
>>>
>>> yum groupinstall KDE
>>
>> I always use/recommend the safer
>> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
>>
>
> It shouldn't be any less safe either way.
Isn't the "KDE" version a sort of fuzzy match?
Not anymore fuzzy than the groupid match.
If so, what happens when some 3rd party repo creates a "KDE
foo" repository?
same thing that happens when someone creates a 3rd party repo with a
groupid of kde-desktop: things don't work like you'd expect.
GIGO
-sv
7:42 p.m.
On Monday 17 November 2008 19:23:56 Rex Dieter wrote:
> In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE
group just by
>
> yum groupinstall KDE
I always use/recommend the safer
yum groupinstall kde-desktop
I'm surprised that works,
since there is no group given by "yum grouplist" starting with kde-desktop .
Assuming it does work, what exactly is the rule?
Can one specify any package in a group?
7:14 a.m.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Timothy Murphy wrote:
On Monday 17 November 2008 19:23:56 Rex Dieter wrote:
>> In F9 I welcomed, that it was possible to install whole KDE group just by
>>
>> yum groupinstall KDE
>
> I always use/recommend the safer
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
I'm surprised that works,
since there is no group given by "yum grouplist" starting with kde-desktop .
Assuming it does work, what exactly is the rule?
Can one specify any package in a group?
kde-desktop isn't a package. It is the groupid.
There are groupnames - what you see when you run grouplist
and there are groupids - how yum and anaconda refer to groups internally.
you can use either to install a group.
-sv
7:20 a.m.
Seth Vidal wrote:
kde-desktop isn't a package. It is the groupid.
There are groupnames - what you see when you run grouplist
and there are groupids - how yum and anaconda refer to groups internally.
you can use either to install a group.
But is common practice that exactly because of these problems with
localization and stability then userfriendly names (titles) shouldn't be
used identifiers.
Showing and clicking titles in a GUI and not showing identifiers is a
good idea.
But on the commandline it would be nice if yum grouplist also showed
identifiers, and it should be recommended to always use these.
IMHO ;-)
/Mads
7:23 a.m.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Mads Kiilerich wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
> kde-desktop isn't a package. It is the groupid.
>
> There are groupnames - what you see when you run grouplist
> and there are groupids - how yum and anaconda refer to groups internally.
>
> you can use either to install a group.
But is common practice that exactly because of these problems with
localization and stability then userfriendly names (titles) shouldn't be used
identifiers.
Showing and clicking titles in a GUI and not showing identifiers is a good
idea.
But on the commandline it would be nice if yum grouplist also showed
identifiers, and it should be recommended to always use these.
IMHO ;-)
That makes no sense to me. If there is a localized name it makes sense
that the user can use the localized name. That way they don't have to
search for letters they can't quite understand.
-sv
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