On Thursday, October 29, 2015 09:30:29 AM Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Joe Brockmeier
<jzb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 10/28/2015 08:21 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> The *could* be the same thing,
>> except cloud-init is terrible and I hate it and if that was the single
>> offering we had for some kind of C&S WG I would cry. I hate it
>> because it is ridiculous to use in a non-cloud environment, and Server
>> very much has that as part of it's reach.
>
> Forking this thread briefly because I think this deserves its own
> discussion.
I apologize if my rambling wasn't clear on this point. Hopefully this
tangent is short-lived.
> Is your objection primarily to the concept of cloud-init or the
> implementation? If it's the concept, not much we can help with there. If
> it's the implementation...
Well, neither really. Admittedly my use of the Cloud images, and
therefore cloud-init, was in attempted to boot it in a VM and log in
more like a traditional install for simple test purposes. That didn't
work and getting it to the point where I could log in required running
some virt-tool thing to modify the image offline. So in the context
of "Server & Cloud", where people expect to be able to log in after an
install in many cases, cloud-init makes it really hard and is
ill-suited to that kind of environment.
Specific to cloud environments, I have no idea if the hassle of
getting it setup is the norm or worthwhile. I've been told it is, and
I can see where having the infrastructure setup to provide the
credentials already in place might make the hassle much less
problematic.
(It is also quite possible I hit a bug in the cloud image. I tried
running the local setup to provide cloud-init with ssh keys and it
didn't work, hence the virt-tool thing. It has been a while since I
tried again.)
I have long said we need to provide packaged a service that can be run locally
to provide the needed metadata, possibly having libvirt manage it. it should
be trivial to import into virt-manager the cloud image and run it and have it
be useful.
Dennis