Re: [commops] [Ambassadors] Fedora Budget.next -, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Ben Williams <jbwillia(a)math.vt.edu&gt; wrote:

>  OK Remy
>  Afew questions
>
>  1) on your .next page it has quarterly reports are those reported by the regions or by
> Redhat or both
>
>  From a Red Hat standpoint, the budget allocation to Fedora happens in the
March/April timeframe, so that'll be reported in that timeframe by the
Fedora Community Lead and the Council on budget.fp.o.

The quarterly reports will be compiled by regional treasurers, signed-off
on by the FCL, and then posted publicly to budget.fp.o.

>  2) it lists Quarterly Budgets, so if we are under budget on one 
> quarter do we keep that money or (use it or lose it) is it lost?
>
>  No. The only "use it or lose it" window, as far as I know is on a Fiscal
year basis (March to February), not a quarterly basis.

Good questions, thanks for asking them. Perhaps this information can be
added to the budget.fp.o wiki page too for future reference.

Looking Forward,
--RemyD.


>  Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:35:35 -0500
>  From: Remy DeCausemaker <decause(a)redhat.com&gt; <decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
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>  Ambassadors,
>
>  As some of you may be aware, there have been some changes to how Budget is
>  proposed and allocated for the coming fiscal year. This conversation has
>  been happening on the Council-discuss list, and through meetings with
>  members of the OSAS
> team:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/council-discuss/2015-Octob...
>
>  With input from the council, OSAS, and other Ambassador Leads, I've taken
>  the results of these budget meetings up until this point, and the
>  discussions around FOSCo/FAMSCo, and created a wiki page to help explain
>  our best understanding of how things should work going forward. The policy
>  seen here is a blend of the results from public discussions and meetings
>  over the past year on mailing lists, in IRC, and at FLOCK:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next
>  **tl;dr** - We're proposing 3 delegated roles in each ambassadorial region
>  for treasurer, logistics, and storytelling. We're keeping our reimbursement
>  and other policies as close to the same as possible. There is a now
>  quarterly budget timeline with scheduled FADs and planning. There will be a
>  webpage available in the near-ish future at http://budget.fedoraproject.org
>  where folks can find the budget and policies related to it.
>
>  This is not a permanent, set-in-stone policy, but we need to start
>  somewhere, beginning with the new budget year (FY17) and the next Fedora
>  Release (F24.) We can always come back and tinker and change what is on
>  that wiki page, but for now, this is what we'd like to propose to close the
>  loop on budget.
>
>  Please read the wiki page, as the daemon is always in the details, and we
>  can use as much informed input and feedback as we can get. I'm hoping to
>  spend about a week gathering feedback, and then move forward implementing
>  these new budget processes together with all of you
>
>  Thank you Ambassador Leads and fellow council members for your early input
>  and efforts on this. Your feedback helped to round off some of the rough
>  corners, and provided a consistent reminder to adhere to the Fedora-way of
>  defaulting to open.
>
>  This formalized regional approach to budget is the first step in working
>  out a larger community-wide strategy around integrating subprojects and
>  other Fedora constituencies with eachother--but that will be a whole nother
>  conversation after this one.
>
>  Looking Forward,
>  --RemyD.
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[Ambassadors] Fedora Budget.next -, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:01:45PM -0500, Remy DeCausemaker wrote:
>  > 2) it lists Quarterly Budgets, so if we are under budget on one
>  > quarter do we keep that money or (use it or lose it) is it lost?
>  No. The only "use it or lose it" window, as far as I know is on a Fiscal
>  year basis (March to February), not a quarterly basis. 
I got the impression at the call we had with Ruth that there's also a
half-year checkpoint now where things should be spent by the end of
August. Did I misunderstand that?

That said, we _don't_ want to lose it when we get to the either that
point or the end overall, so the quarterly checkpoints give us an
opportunity to re-allocate. If the region doesn't have a specific good
use for unspent funds at that point, we can apply it to somewhere that
does (either a need in another region or a non-regional request).


> 
> Good questions, thanks for asking them. Perhaps this information can be
> added to the budget.fp.o wiki page too for future reference.
> 
> Looking Forward,
> --RemyD.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:35:35 -0500
> > From: Remy DeCausemaker <decause(a)redhat.com&gt; <decause(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > To: ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
> > 	famsco(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, 	Discussions with the Fedora Council
> > 	and community	<council-discuss(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
<council-discuss(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > Subject: [Ambassadors] Fedora Budget.next -
> > 	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<CALiMsejHV-JvD+h+chLBsXfmxquy-J5Gt8Mn3X9JCWie4FKLMw(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
<CALiMsejHV-JvD+h+chLBsXfmxquy-J5Gt8Mn3X9JCWie4FKLMw(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Ambassadors,
> >
> > As some of you may be aware, there have been some changes to how Budget is
> > proposed and allocated for the coming fiscal year. This conversation has
> > been happening on the Council-discuss list, and through meetings with
> > members of the OSAS
team:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/council-discuss/2015-Octob...
> >
> > With input from the council, OSAS, and other Ambassador Leads, I've taken
> > the results of these budget meetings up until this point, and the
> > discussions around FOSCo/FAMSCo, and created a wiki page to help explain
> > our best understanding of how things should work going forward. The policy
> > seen here is a blend of the results from public discussions and meetings
> > over the past year on mailing lists, in IRC, and at FLOCK:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next
> > **tl;dr** - We're proposing 3 delegated roles in each ambassadorial region
> > for treasurer, logistics, and storytelling. We're keeping our reimbursement
> > and other policies as close to the same as possible. There is a now
> > quarterly budget timeline with scheduled FADs and planning. There will be a
> > webpage available in the near-ish future at http://budget.fedoraproject.org
> > where folks can find the budget and policies related to it.
> >
> > This is not a permanent, set-in-stone policy, but we need to start
> > somewhere, beginning with the new budget year (FY17) and the next Fedora
> > Release (F24.) We can always come back and tinker and change what is on
> > that wiki page, but for now, this is what we'd like to propose to close the
> > loop on budget.
> >
> > Please read the wiki page, as the daemon is always in the details, and we
> > can use as much informed input and feedback as we can get. I'm hoping to
> > spend about a week gathering feedback, and then move forward implementing
> > these new budget processes together with all of you
> >
> > Thank you Ambassador Leads and fellow council members for your early input
> > and efforts on this. Your feedback helped to round off some of the rough
> > corners, and provided a consistent reminder to adhere to the Fedora-way of
> > defaulting to open.
> >
> > This formalized regional approach to budget is the first step in working
> > out a larger community-wide strategy around integrating subprojects and
> > other Fedora constituencies with eachother--but that will be a whole nother
> > conversation after this one.
> >
> > Looking Forward,
> > --RemyD.
> >