Re: [Ambassadors] Re: [Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/03/2016 08:44 AM, Ardian Haxha wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I've sent some emails with my university, they have invited me for a
>  meeting to see what we can do. The wiki that Justin is working looks
>  solid for beginning the activity, but having something in final would be
>  great. I suggest we get in touch ASAP with marketing and design team and
>  start having fliers and banners/logos with the sign of Campus
>  Ambassador. 
Hey Ardian!

Took me a lot longer to cycle back on this email than I wanted, but this
is a discussion we should definitely have.

What were your ideas and thoughts on putting together something "final"
to represent the Campus Ambassadors? I am definitely a fan of creating
some fliers or other easily distributable info sheet on the program to
help encourage students at universities to get involved.

As far as internal structure / hierarchy goes, what were your thoughts
on my wiki page draft? Were there any details that seemed questionable
to you or maybe could be reworded? I'm still meaning to edit it and make
the revision that event reports can go on the Community Blog *OR*
personal blogs, as a benefit for personal branding for an Ambassador
(this was discussed in a FAmNA meeting two weeks ago).

For anyone who isn't sure where this draft is, see here:


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jflory7/Scratchpad/Campus_Ambassadors

Other opinions and thoughts are surely welcome on this! Feel free to
chime in if you have ideas or thoughts.

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Ambassadors] Re: [Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Neville A. Cross]

On Tue, 2016-03-08 at 08:45 -0500, Justin W. Flory wrote:
>  On 03/03/2016 08:44 AM, Ardian Haxha wrote:
>  > 
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > I've sent some emails with my university, they have invited me for
>  > a
>  > meeting to see what we can do. The wiki that Justin is working
>  > looks
>  > solid for beginning the activity, but having something in final
>  > would be
>  > great. I suggest we get in touch ASAP with marketing and design
>  > team and
>  > start having fliers and banners/logos with the sign of Campus
>  > Ambassador.
>  Hey Ardian!
>  
>  Took me a lot longer to cycle back on this email than I wanted, but
>  this
>  is a discussion we should definitely have.
>  
>  What were your ideas and thoughts on putting together something
>  "final"
>  to represent the Campus Ambassadors? I am definitely a fan of
>  creating
>  some fliers or other easily distributable info sheet on the program
>  to
>  help encourage students at universities to get involved.
>  
>  As far as internal structure / hierarchy goes, what were your
>  thoughts
>  on my wiki page draft? Were there any details that seemed
>  questionable
>  to you or maybe could be reworded? I'm still meaning to edit it and
>  make
>  the revision that event reports can go on the Community Blog *OR*
>  personal blogs, as a benefit for personal branding for an Ambassador
>  (this was discussed in a FAmNA meeting two weeks ago).
>  
>  For anyone who isn't sure where this draft is, see here:
>  
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jflory7/Scratchpad/Campus_Ambassa
>  dors
>  
>  Other opinions and thoughts are surely welcome on this! Feel free to
>  chime in if you have ideas or thoughts.
>   
I think that one thing that may be useful to set as part of the goals
to try to inspire teachers and staff on campus to become part of
ambassadors and campus ambassadors. 

The rationale to include this is that a student may spend from 3 to 5
years in the university depending on the studying program, but a
teacher or staff may stay at the university longer.

If the student didn't inspire other students about fedora, fedora's
presence will end when the student graduates. Besides a teacher or
staff may have greater audience than a student.

It may happen that the teacher or staff may be tempted to use fedora
resources to make their classes or labs more appealing, this may be a
gray area. Like: "I will teach an extra class with free pizza which
will be using fedora". I will trust that most of us are for the
freedom.

In other hand it may be difficult for some countries this level of
sponsoring. Most of the reimbursement process is made by paypal. In
some countries you can not get funds by paypal. Some of the countries
that you can get the funds you can only used as a electronic wallet and
you can not cash that money. For some people electronic money is
useful, but not for all. So we have to be careful to not create
unrealistic expectations regarding sponsoring.

Just my two cents on this topic.

Neville

[Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/08/2016 01:32 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  I think that one thing that may be useful to set as part of the
> goals
>  to try to inspire teachers and staff on campus to become part of
>  ambassadors and campus ambassadors.
>
>  The rationale to include this is that a student may spend from 3 to 5
>  years in the university depending on the studying program, but a
>  teacher or staff may stay at the university longer.
>
>  If the student didn't inspire other students about fedora, fedora's
>  presence will end when the student graduates. Besides a teacher or
>  staff may have greater audience than a student.
>
>  It may happen that the teacher or staff may be tempted to use fedora
>  resources to make their classes or labs more appealing, this may be a
>  gray area. Like: "I will teach an extra class with free pizza which
>  will be using fedora". I will trust that most of us are for the
>  freedom.
>
>  In other hand it may be difficult for some countries this level of
>  sponsoring. Most of the reimbursement process is made by paypal. In
>  some countries you can not get funds by paypal. Some of the countries
>  that you can get the funds you can only used as a electronic wallet and
>  you can not cash that money. For some people electronic money is
>  useful, but not for all. So we have to be careful to not create
>  unrealistic expectations regarding sponsoring.
>
>  Just my two cents on this topic. 
Hey Neville,

Thanks for chiming in on this topic.

I definitely agree that getting teachers and academic faculty involved 
as Campus Ambassadors is a crucial and important dynamic. Like you 
noted, there is a much larger window for how long the faculty member can 
impact youth and introduce a new generation to Linux and Fedora.

I'm trying to think of a way to frame this within the current draft on 
the wiki, but I'm thinking maybe it becomes a two-pronged rewrite. There 
could be a section for students and another section for teachers / 
faculty to get involved as Campus Ambassadors.

My concerns are whether it would be confusing to keep the students in 
the same mailing list / agenda planning as faculty members. Both 
students and faculty may need resources unique from one another in terms 
of guidance or strategical planning for events.

What do you all think about adding the faculty dynamic to the Campus 
Ambassadors rewrite?

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Viorel Tabara]

On Thu Mar 10 2016 07:59:27 GMT-0700 (MST) Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  My concerns are whether it would be confusing to keep the students in
> the 
>  same mailing list / agenda planning as faculty members. Both students and 
>  faculty may need resources unique from one another in terms of guidance or 
>  strategical planning for events. 
I'm not experienced in the ambassadors/marketing field so I'm speaking from a 
non-academic staff perspective: academics who are interested in open source 
will likely want to exchange ideas with their students and look for ways to 
promote FLOSS in their courses. There are also, (some) professionals [1] 
(non-academic) staff willing to contribute :) So to me keeping all of them on 
the same mailing list would make more sense.

-- 
Viorel

[1]:https://landing.athabascau.ca/groups/profile/923326/open-source-software/tab/923328/default

[Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/10/2016 10:42 PM, Viorel Tabara wrote:
>  On Thu Mar 10 2016 07:59:27 GMT-0700 (MST) Justin W. Flory
> <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
> > My concerns are whether it would be confusing to keep the students in the
> > same mailing list / agenda planning as faculty members. Both students and
> > faculty may need resources unique from one another in terms of guidance or
> > strategical planning for events.
>
>  I'm not experienced in the ambassadors/marketing field so I'm speaking from a
>  non-academic staff perspective: academics who are interested in open source
>  will likely want to exchange ideas with their students and look for ways to
>  promote FLOSS in their courses. There are also, (some) professionals [1]
>  (non-academic) staff willing to contribute :) So to me keeping all of them on
>  the same mailing list would make more sense.
>  
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Viorel. Curious, did you also have any 
ideas on ways that non-academic professionals in academic settings can 
contribute? I'm assuming this might be like a system administrator at a 
school, or a similar type of position. I was just curious if you had any 
ideas off the top of your head in terms of how they could contribute 
within their role.

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Viorel Tabara]

On Tue Mar 15 2016 09:36:43 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Viorel. Curious, did you also have
> any 
>  ideas on ways that non-academic professionals in academic settings can 
>  contribute? I'm assuming this might be like a system administrator at a 
>  school, or a similar type of position. 
I'll have to start with a disclaimer: These are my personal thoughts and do not 
represent the views of my employer.

I do believe that we need to educate the young generation about the values of 
open source and as a professional (I'm not sure if that's a term used across 
all educational institutions or only at AU) I can do that by connecting the 
academic and professional open source advocates with the community [1] and by 
sharing resources as I come across them [2]. Where Fedora could come in is by 
being *the* platform to make this happen: technically, socially and culturally 
-- more than just a Fedora Ansible-ized OpenStack lab. The logistics of how to 
get there is what most of us technical people may be missing.

-- 
Viorel


[1]:https://landing.athabascau.ca/blog/view/957162/surviving-on-open-source-an-au-course#comment_24486936
[2]:https://landing.athabascau.ca/pages/view/999709/open-source-course

[Campus Ambassadors] Proposed wiki rewrite

[Mark Terranova]

<Sigh> as has been stated before there is a group in Pacific *already*
doing this for years. They DO things. I understand we want to define
purpose here, but, lengthy board meetings aint it. They are willing to
share their knowledge of having done this with great results. Part of how
they do this is by promoting FOSS in general and work under assumption
folks will gravitate towards projects that match their desires/wants. They
have more folks willing to become Fedorans, but near as I can see, it's
almost an Ubuntu-style use our Distro or GTFO thing. They would like some
SWAG, and are caught in a regional funding issue, IMHO. They can help Our
Project.

 I'm losing interest in minutiae. They can help those willing to help them.
We can learn from them, they were abandoned by Ubuntu, so we have a good
chance of showing we help produce results, and can learn. /me is willing to
help facilitate this (as offered many moons ago) we have former
owners/leads of Campus willing to advise. In the time we have kicked these
ideas around, they have created a vibrant Python program. They were hoping
to add Fedora to things they teach, on campus, in concert with coffee shops.

I love Fedora, but holy crap, can we sh*t and/or get off the pot? Seems as
if we'll figure it out by Summer break...Fedora late timing strikes again...

At some point asking for some basic trust from fellow Fedorans should give
a little wiggle room to try some new things with proven folks.

Choices, choices. :) Slight reminder that what we see as issues here make
us seem bourgeoisie. Internet speed is of great concern to much of the
globe, University type places have better, meeting spots. Im not willing to
suggest a proven group justify their results and ideas, nor will I.

Bikeshed.org What color will we paint the shed? What can be stored there?
No Ubuntu things? Do we have to use GNU in front of every word?

Apologies for snarkiness, but, I can see why independent groups are leery
of folks willing to talk, rather than do. 2 years of trying to get this
group involved has proved the GNU insiders gut feeling they have had;
they'll believe it when they see it. They see debates and regional pissing
contests. Timer (in my mind) has started, they are gonna help FOSS, if
Fedora is part of that, great. If not they will still send some awesome
Fedorans our way, but, will most likely find more helpful groups to partner
with. Or more likely just decide colonial BS is colonial BS, and keep on
keeping on?

ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent!
-MD
*/me goes back to waiting to see if results and learning is a goal, or
bouncing between regions/boards is what is the plan*

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Viorel Tabara <viorel(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Tue Mar 15 2016 09:36:43 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory <
>  jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Viorel. Curious, did you also have any
>  > ideas on ways that non-academic professionals in academic settings can
>  > contribute? I'm assuming this might be like a system administrator at a
>  > school, or a similar type of position.
>
>  I'll have to start with a disclaimer: These are my personal thoughts and
>  do not
>  represent the views of my employer.
>
>  I do believe that we need to educate the young generation about the values
>  of
>  open source and as a professional (I'm not sure if that's a term used
>  across
>  all educational institutions or only at AU) I can do that by connecting the
>  academic and professional open source advocates with the community [1] and
>  by
>  sharing resources as I come across them [2]. Where Fedora could come in is
>  by
>  being *the* platform to make this happen: technically, socially and
>  culturally
>  -- more than just a Fedora Ansible-ized OpenStack lab. The logistics of
>  how to
>  get there is what most of us technical people may be missing.
>
>  --
>  Viorel
>
>
>  [1]:
>
> https://landing.athabascau.ca/blog/view/957162/surviving-on-open-source-a...
>  [2]:https://landing.athabascau.ca/pages/view/999709/open-source-course
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Proposed wiki rewrite

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/17/2016 02:23 AM, Viorel Tabara wrote:
>  On Tue Mar 15 2016 09:36:43 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory
> <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Viorel. Curious, did you also have any
> > ideas on ways that non-academic professionals in academic settings can
> > contribute? I'm assuming this might be like a system administrator at a
> > school, or a similar type of position.
>
>  I'll have to start with a disclaimer: These are my personal thoughts and do not
>  represent the views of my employer.
>
>  I do believe that we need to educate the young generation about the values of
>  open source and as a professional (I'm not sure if that's a term used across
>  all educational institutions or only at AU) I can do that by connecting the
>  academic and professional open source advocates with the community [1] and by
>  sharing resources as I come across them [2]. Where Fedora could come in is by
>  being *the* platform to make this happen: technically, socially and culturally
>  -- more than just a Fedora Ansible-ized OpenStack lab. The logistics of how to
>  get there is what most of us technical people may be missing.
>
>
> [1]:https://landing.athabascau.ca/blog/view/957162/surviving-on-open-source-an-au-course#comment_24486936
>  [2]:https://landing.athabascau.ca/pages/view/999709/open-source-course
>  
The links you shared to Athabasca University's pages were awesome to 
read about. :) These are exactly the kinds of things I think we as a 
community should be supporting and helping grow.

I completely agree with the points you mentioned. However, when it comes 
to finding ways to deploy and implement this in schools, I'm definitely 
not an expert nor will I act like I am. Perhaps Remy could chime in on 
this specifically because it definitely is within his realm of expertise 
from his time at RIT.

I think this thread in itself could make a good topic for the next 
CommOps meeting!

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

Proposed wiki rewrite

[Viorel Tabara]

On Thu Mar 17 2016 22:25:01 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  I think this thread in itself could make a good topic for the next
> CommOps 
>  meeting! 
As I'm unable to attend, here's something for the agenda: target both technical 
and non-technical staff -- sysadmins, developers, computer science faculty can 
build the infrastructure and develop applications but librarians [1], 
researchers and non-technical faculty can and should play an equally important 
role in promoting Fedora's Four Foundations. I mean, wouldn't be awesome if 
Fedora can be the catalyst for EDU collaboration?

-- 
Viorel


[1]:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco

Proposed wiki rewrite

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/18/2016 01:19 AM, Viorel Tabara wrote:
>  On Thu Mar 17 2016 22:25:01 GMT-0600 (MDT) Justin W. Flory
> <jflory7(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
> > I think this thread in itself could make a good topic for the next CommOps
> > meeting!
>
>  As I'm unable to attend, here's something for the agenda: target both technical
>  and non-technical staff -- sysadmins, developers, computer science faculty can
>  build the infrastructure and develop applications but librarians [1],
>  researchers and non-technical faculty can and should play an equally important
>  role in promoting Fedora's Four Foundations. I mean, wouldn't be awesome if
>  Fedora can be the catalyst for EDU collaboration?
>  
Definitely agreed. I've started working on the meeting minutes just now, 
so I'll make sure we get this vision into the meeting. It would be an 
awesome thing, I completely agree. :)

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com