Hi,
On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:33:07 -0000
Ben (aka kk4ewt, Southern_Gentlem) is an op in #fedora-meeting and
baned him with this before the ban.
Jul 15 20:13:30 <kk4ewt> gnokii, when you get your network fixed let
me know
Maybe it's a cultural thing on my part, but that reads as a bit passive-aggressive to
me.
The only way he could "fix" his network would be to move to another country. Is
that a reasonable option? Being in a country where reliable internet is affordable and
easy (for the most part) to come by is certainly a position of privilege so I understand
not grokking that right away, but if Fedora is to be inclusive and diverse, we should
probably be more understanding of these types of situations. If it had been a
less-established contributor, they may have felt pretty unwelcome and perhaps not came
back. :-/
The ban in #fedora-meeting was then removed:
Jul 16 12:08:20 * kk4ewt removes ban on $a:gnokii
I don't see any meeting he missed in that less than 24 hour period.
(July 15th was a friday and the 16th was saturday).
The meeting in question was on a Tues or Wed in August IIRC. It may not have been in a
-meeting channel, it could have been in -websites or -apps; it was regarding the website.
I thought it was in -meeting-* tho.
Sure, but if they are:
a) not around
b) bouncing in and out of channel rapidly
it also makes meetings not so great for the people who are there.
Sure, if you have a client that has joins/parts turned on and very visible, I could see
that being annoying (then again, we have a bot on in most of our channels that by default
spews out fedmsg datadumps en masse in the non-meeting channels, and those aren't
join/part msgs they are real messages, so what's worse?)
gnokii has been in Cambodia for probably a year now, maybe longer? So it's not like
this was a sudden issue necessitating an instant ban to deal with. It's not too hard
to get someone's email address using .fasinfo, and sending them a politely-worded
message explaining the situation.
But that didn't happen, as I understand it.
To ban someone with a message like, "when you get your network fixed let me
know" just doesn't sound like the kind of cool-headed, rational, and
confrontation-avoiding strategy I'd prefer to see from someone wielding op status.
But perhaps we should ignore this if causes too much pain for the
people bouncing. This case really doesn't seem to happen that often.
In a rational world people would just talk and sort this out. ;(
Yeh, if something someone is doing bothers you, it makes sense to talk to them, instead of
complaining behind their back.
The problem here is that some teams may have no care or knowledge of
irc stuff and in fact ops are used so rarely it largely doesn't matter.
In these cases I think the minimal set of admin folks (myself, spot,
etc) should be able to handle things.
Sure I guess... but again infrastructure folks are already around most
of the time so we are likely to be able to react faster than a specific
group that may not have worldwide coverage.
If infrastructure is in charge that's way preferable.
ask and irc are very different worlds and I don't know if
there's
really much overlap between them. Someone who can moderate a post
slowly and deliberately might not be best to react to a spammer or
realtime issue on irc.
To be fair, though, I do think reading through some of the controversial things that have
popped up over the years, that maybe slower reactions and more deliberation before typing
could have avoided a lot of those situations and a lot of the misunderstandings that led
to them escalating.
Apples and oranges I think...
I'm not convinced. ask has a lot more affordances, sure, but I think as say facebook
when someone makes a post about the NRA or lkml or whatever could all exemplify, people
lose their cool in computer mediated communication forms that are less 'live' than
IRC.
~m