On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Robert Mayr
<robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
2015-11-18 16:26 GMT+01:00 Jan Kurik <jkurik(a)redhat.com>:
>
> Hi Council and Ambassadors,
>
> I was pointed by several people to the fact that FAmSCo is (or should
> be) an inactive committee and I was questioned why we are organizing
> elections for this committee.
>
> As I understand the situation, there is an aim to replace FAmSCo by
> FOSCo & Council. However the current FAmSCo is securing some "level of
> service" for Ambassadors, which is not yet covered by any other
> group/team/governance body within the Fedora community. As such, I was
> explicitly ask by Ambassadors to organize the elections for FAmSCo
> team as well, to make sure FAmSCo will operate till the time we have a
> full replacement for it.
>
> However, it seems like we do not have a full agreement on this topic
> [1]. I would like to have a discussion here, to come up with a common
> agreement whether we support the idea of having FAmSCo operational for
> now or we have other solution.
>
> [1]
>
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2015-11-17/fedora-meet...
> - 17:23:27
Thank you Jan for this open discussion, I'm adding here some more
informations.
First of all FAmSCo is not dead and never has been officially dismissed, but
FAmSCo decided months ago to hand all its repsonibilities over to FOSCo,
which was planned as an even bigger committee, and which should have
included also the Ambassador's activities. Therefor we reduced the activity
and after some meetings without reaching a quorum FAmSCo decided to act only
through the Trac until new elections would happen or FOSCo will start its
activity.
Many thing happened in the meanwhile and we are going towards a new and
hopefully better budgeting process (thanks to all who worked on it and who
are discussing it), but as you said this is not the only responsibility
FAmSCo actually has. Unfortunately FAmSCo missed some of its deadlines,
there is for example the EMEA FAD planning, release parties, F23 media and
other stuff (which in the end happened partially but not in a coordinated
way as before).
That's why I would welcome, unless we will not reach the minimum number of 7
candidates, new elections. These new memebers could give continuity to
FAmSCo's activities and the big ambassadors group, on the other hand they
could actively help the integration of the actual FAmSCo responsibilities
into the Council, FOSCo or whatever.
Canceling the Ambassadors Steering Committee without replacing *all* its
activities is not the best way if we don't want to loose some parts of the
community, so IMO let's do elections and find the best solution to pass over
all the stuff and try to represent _all_ regions in the body who will take
over in the future the FAmSCo job.
Forgive me, but I have not followed the ambassador side of things for
a while. If FAmSCo isn't actually meeting (per the IRC conversation)
and isn't technically a thing any longer, what is the elected body to
do? Start meeting again?
I do not disagree with you at all that we need people performing the
tasks you highlight, but I'm not sure having an elected body to do
them is necessary. Once they are elected, are we to restart FAmSCo,
or would they only serve until FOSCo actually exists? Perhaps
volunteers would be better than elected members of a zombie
organization?
josh