Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2015-08-27 16:05 - 18:10 UTC)
by James Antill
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
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Meeting started by geppetto at 16:05:03 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2015-08-27/fpc.2015-08-...
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (geppetto, 16:05:03)
* Schedule (geppetto, 16:08:53)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/packaging/2015-August/010946.html
(geppetto, 16:08:55)
* #565 New python package guidelines create upgrade path problem from
old guidelines (geppetto, 16:10:21)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/565 (geppetto, 16:10:21)
* ACTION: Automatically add obsoletes for < provides version, in
python_provides macro. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 16:45:34)
* #560 Bundling exception for
rubygem{molinillo,thor,net-http-persistent} (geppetto, 16:46:03)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/560 (geppetto, 16:46:04)
* ACTION: Allow rubygems to bundle molinillo, because software
engineering is hard (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1) (geppetto, 17:28:55)
* Everyone seems to be leaning on just dropping "Bundler", upstream
doesn't seem to want anyone to ship it and presumably rumbygems can
get the mess if devs. want it. The deps. on it from vagrant and
rails seem bad though … can they be removed? (geppetto, 17:30:23)
* Open Floor (geppetto, 17:32:37)
Meeting ended at 18:08:52 UTC.
Action Items
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* Automatically add obsoletes for < provides version, in python_provides
macro. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0)
* Allow rubygems to bundle molinillo, because software engineering is
hard (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1)
Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* Automatically add obsoletes for < provides version, in
python_provides macro. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0)
* Allow rubygems to bundle molinillo, because software engineering is
hard (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1)
People Present (lines said)
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* tibbs|w (107)
* orionp (73)
* tomspur (28)
* mbooth (16)
* Rathann (11)
* zodbot (10)
* mstuchli (5)
* gholms (4)
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8 years, 1 month
Packaging sphinx docs
by Robert Kuska
While figuring out how to proceed with development of
pyp2rpm I've realized that I have no idea how to properly
package docs generated by sphinx for python module having
both python2 and python3 subpackages, I've decided to go
with the following pattern:
If package foo has docs generated with sphinx:
- add BuildRequires: python-sphinx
- use sphinx (unversioned binary) to generate docs
- package docs under python-foo-docs subpackage
Apply same behavior for every module, even if module
ships both Python2 and Python3 subpackage its docs will be
generated only once and stored under python-foo-docs.
(Assuming that docs are same for both python major versions.)
What do you think?
--
Robert Kuska
{rkuska}
8 years, 1 month
Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2015-08-27 16:00 UTC)
by James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC
meeting Thursday at 2015-08-27 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.
Local time information (via. rktime):
2015-08-27 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT
2015-08-27 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT
2015-08-27 16:00 Thu UTC <-
2015-08-27 17:00 Thu Europe/London BST
2015-08-27 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CEST
2015-08-27 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CEST
2015-08-27 21:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST
------------------new day----------------------
2015-08-28 00:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT
2015-08-28 00:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT
2015-08-28 01:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST
2015-08-28 02:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane EST
Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13
= New business =
#topic #560 Bundling exception for rubygem{molinillo,thor,net-http-persistent}
.fpc 560
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/560
#topic #562 Bundling exception for MongoDB
.fpc 562
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/562
#topic #564 Bundling exception for apacheds-jdbm
.fpc 564
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/564
#topic #565 New python package guidelines create upgrade path
problem from old guidelines
.fpc 565
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/565
= Open Floor =
For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The
report of the agenda items can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13
If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
the following meeting.
8 years, 1 month
naming package as a library or tool
by Parag Nemade
Hi,
Sometimes I get confused how to handle naming of a package where
package itself provides a nodejs or python library and wrapper/tool to
use that library.
We have guidelines where it says if source is library from npmjs or
pypi then we should prefix package with nodejs or python but how to
name when source contains both?
What gets precedence? name them with prefixes or just by tool name
or library name?
Regards,
Parag.
8 years, 1 month
Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2015-08-20 16:00 - 17:35 UTC)
by James Antill
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
======================
Meeting started by geppetto at 16:00:22 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2015-08-20/fpc.2015-08-...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (geppetto, 16:00:22)
* Schedule (geppetto, 16:03:09)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/packaging/2015-August/010939.html
(geppetto, 16:03:14)
* #555 Copylib bundling request: kwsys in castxml (geppetto, 16:04:14)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/555 (geppetto, 16:04:23)
* LINK: https://github.com/CastXML/CastXML/tree/master/src/kwsys
(geppetto, 16:25:16)
* LINK:
http://public.kitware.com/pipermail/cmake-developers/2015-August/026040.html
(mathstuf, 16:37:28)
* LINK: http://public.kitware.com/gitweb?p=KWSys.git (Rathann,
17:01:29)
* ACTION: Allow 2 year tmp. exception for castxml after modularized
provides are added, and rm of unused modules happens at prep or
before ideally upstreeam git (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:08:16)
* #558 Switch order of install macros (geppetto, 17:09:27)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/558 (geppetto, 17:09:28)
* #559 Ban use of rich dependencies (geppetto, 17:21:15)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/559 (geppetto, 17:21:16)
* ACTION: Ban use of rich dependencies (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto,
17:32:29)
* Open Floor (geppetto, 17:32:35)
Meeting ended at 17:39:04 UTC.
Action Items
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* Allow 2 year tmp. exception for castxml after modularized provides are
added, and rm of unused modules happens at prep or before ideally
upstreeam git (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0)
* Ban use of rich dependencies (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0)
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* Allow 2 year tmp. exception for castxml after modularized provides
are added, and rm of unused modules happens at prep or before
ideally upstreeam git (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0)
* Ban use of rich dependencies (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0)
People Present (lines said)
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* geppetto (119)
* tibbs|w (60)
* mathstuf (59)
* Rathann (37)
* orionp (18)
* tomspur (17)
* racor (13)
* zodbot (12)
* mbooth (5)
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8 years, 1 month
Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2015-08-20 16:00 UTC)
by James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC
meeting Thursday at 2015-08-20 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.
Local time information (via. rktime):
2015-08-20 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT
2015-08-20 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT
2015-08-20 16:00 Thu UTC <-
2015-08-20 17:00 Thu Europe/London BST
2015-08-20 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CEST
2015-08-20 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CEST
2015-08-20 21:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST
------------------new day----------------------
2015-08-21 00:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT
2015-08-21 00:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT
2015-08-21 01:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST
2015-08-21 02:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane EST
Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13
= Followups =
#topic #508 New GID for openstack-neutron
.fpc 508
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/508
= New business =
#topic #558 Switch order of install macros
.fpc 558
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/558
#topic #559 Ban use of rich dependencies
.fpc 559
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/559
#topic #560 Bundling exception for rubygem{molinillo,thor,net-http-persistent}
.fpc 560
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/560
= Open Floor =
For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The
report of the agenda items can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13
If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
the following meeting.
8 years, 1 month
gnome-shell extension packaging and directory ownership questions
by Michael Schwendt
Do we want to treat the "gnome-shell-extension-common" package as an
"artificial filesystem" package to be required by all gnome-shell-extension-*
packages to get directory ownership right?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#The_directory_is_owne...
[...]
Inspite of its package name not ending with "-filesystem" (would that
be a MUST?), the package description suggests that it serves as a
filesystem package:
$ rpm -qi gnome-shell-extension-common|tail -2
optional functionality to GNOME Shell. Common files and directories needed by
extensions are provided here.
It's only a single directory, and the "gnome-shell" parent dir is
pulled in via a dependency:
$ rpmls gnome-shell-extension-common|grep ^d
drwxr-xr-x /usr/share/doc/gnome-shell-extension-common
drwxr-xr-x /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions
$ rpm -qR gnome-shell-extension-common|grep -v ^rpm
gnome-shell >= 3.17.4
[...]
It has been pointed out during review that the package is not '''an
"official" filesystem-package'''. And packagers happily take existing
packages as example. A single gnome-shell-extension package by somebody
from Red Hat owns the directory instead, giving the excuse to do it like
that, too. All other extension packages add a dependency on that
"artificial filesystem" package.
It would be good, if the gnome shell extensions addon package guidelines
commented on this.
Unless we don't care about such directory ownership issues at all anymore.
Then everybody is free to add "multiple ownership" in random ways.
But so many complex guidelines -- for what?
That there are filesystem packages such as "hicolor-icon-theme" is not
pretty already. What other filesystem packages are not named -filesystem?
Trying to explain that to [new] packagers can become quite a task.
[...]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Addon_Packages_...
Addon Packages (gnome shell extensions)
Packages that extend gnome shell should begin with the prefix
gnome-shell-extension-. In particular, this prefix should not be
pluralized (ie: it should not be gnome-shell-extensions).
8 years, 1 month
Is it time to allow Chromium in Fedora?
by Gerald B. Cox
There has been a lively discussion within KDE regarding the Konqueror
browser; and subsequently it has been decided that a non-KDE, GTK browser
will be the default for the spin.
Why, because Firefox is the only choice for Fedora, Chromium is not allowed.
Here is a good excerpt:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Dan Mossor <danofsatx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The correct avenue here, in light of the news from the upstream products,
> is to keep the status quo regardless of the lack of usability. When we
> finally get a fully-featured Qt based browser, that is when we switch. We
> DO NOT switch to a GTk based browser that has zero integration with the
> Plasma desktop - single click selection of files and directories within
> Firefox doesn't even work, let alone the theming and other issues.
> Ironically, those two items, as well as integration with kWallet, work fine
> with Google Chrome (which is not a choice in this discussion).
Tom Calloway has been working on Chromium - and his copr is up-to-date for
anyone who wants to try it.
https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/spot/chromium/
It's been a slow slog working through the issues keeping it from the
official repository, but progress
has been made: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287
Things have also changed over the years, and Chrome/Chromium's popularity
has continued to grow and is now packaged in Ubuntu, Debian and Suse.
Firefox has exceptions mainly because it is deemed "to popular" to keep out
of the distribution. I think it is obvious to everyone that
Chrome/Chromium is "at least" as popular than Firefox.
I realize we have our guidelines and we're not Debian, Suse or Ubuntu...
and that's a good thing. But, if we're making exceptions for Firefox
because of it's popularity shouldn't we do the same for Chromium.
8 years, 1 month
RPM macro to match build arch
by Julien Enselme
Hi,
I am in the process of packaging python-wsaccel
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1244517). This module
contains C extensions and in order to launch the tests, I need to modify
the python path so that the build module are found.
The build directory to add to the path is like:
build/lib.%{_os}-%{_target_cpu}-%{python3_version}
This expression works fine with i686 and x64_84. However, on armv,
%{_target_cpu} resolves to armv7hl whereas the folder is named
lib.linux-armv7l-3.4.
Previously, I tried the %{_host} macro but it extends to i386 instead of
i686 for 32 bits build.
Is there a macro that would correctly extends in all cases (x86_64, i686
and armv7l)? If not, I will use grep to get the proper folder name.
Regards,
--
Julien Enselme aka Jujens
http://www.jujens.eu/
8 years, 1 month
