October 2016 - packaging - Fedora Mailing-Lists

by Pavel Raiskup

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:16:39 PM CEST buildsys(a)fedoraproject.org wrote: > vim-syntastic has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: > On aarch64: > vim-syntastic-lisp-3.7.0-6.fc26.noarch requires clisp > On aarch64: > vim-syntastic-cs-3.7.0-6.fc26.noarch requires mono-core > On aarch64: > vim-syntastic-d-3.7.0-6.fc26.noarch requires ldc > On armhfp: > vim-syntastic-d-3.7.0-6.fc26.noarch requires ldc > Please resolve this as soon as possible. What's should packager do in such case? Recap: noarch package depends on arch-dependant package, which is not available everywhere. Pavel

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2016-10-27 16:00 - 17:30 UTC)

by James Antill

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 16:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-10-27/fpc.2016- 10-27-16.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 16:00:14) * Schedule (geppetto, 16:13:50) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedor aproject.org/message/6NKPOVP7KSISKH4HRPLLNOECKX2CQ5DW/ (geppetto, 16:13:53) * Deterministic/Reproducible Builds and alternative build toolchains (geppetto, 16:14:41) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/systemdscriptlets (tibbs, 16:46:56) * ACTION: No mention of macros for systemd scriptlets for user units (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:02:08) * Open Floor (geppetto, 17:04:17) Meeting ended at 17:31:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * No mention of macros for systemd scriptlets for user units (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * No mention of macros for systemd scriptlets for user units (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tibbs (88) * geppetto (71) * warren (37) * limburgher (27) * orionp (14) * zodbot (11) * tomspur (3) * racor (2) * jwboyer (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2016-10-27 16:00 UTC)

by James Antill

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2016-10-27 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2016-10-27 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2016-10-27 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2016-10-27 16:00 Thu UTC <- 2016-10-27 17:00 Thu Europe/London BST 2016-10-27 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CEST 2016-10-27 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CEST 2016-10-27 21:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST ------------------new day---------------------- 2016-10-28 00:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2016-10-28 00:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2016-10-28 01:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2016-10-28 02:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane AEST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 = Followups = #topic #398 Tilde in version .fpc 398 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/398 #topic #558 Application/Library distinction and package splitting .fpc 558 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/558 #topic #610 Packaging guidelines: Check upstream tarball signatures .fpc 610 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/610 #topic #647 No mention of macros for systemd scriptlets for user units .fpc 647 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/647 #topic #650 Alternate Python Interpreters .fpc 650 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/650 #topic #654 glibc file triggers .fpc 654 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/654 #topic #655 meson buildsystem guidelines .fpc 655 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/655 #topic #656 pre/post-release version guidelines need major simplification .fpc 656 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/656 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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exploring a crazy (?) idea: /opt/fedora/apps for some applications?

by Matthew Miller

In the medium-term future, we might want to provide some application software to users as Flatpak bundles in addition to traditional RPM form. This should be generally transparent to users but provide (at least) two advantages. First, these applications can be sandboxed, and only able to access resources they're specifically allowed to, increasing security. And second, users may have easier options for mixing and matching application versions that match their personal needs. And as a project, as Flatpak gains traction as a cross-platform solution, providing a whole bunch of Fedora packages in this way even to users of other distros helps increase our impact and usefulness to the world. The Flatpak design splits the runtime from the application in the filesystem — apps are built expecting the runtime at /usr as normal, but are installed into a tree at /app. I'm not proposing that we move to having /app, but the idea of having a separate tree is pretty fundamental. As it stands right now, if we want to build existing RPMs as Flatpaks, we have to either do some very sketchy magic with relocation, or else hack on the specfiles. So, the crazy idea: what if, for applications which would be useful as a Flatpak, we allow /opt/fedora/apps/[appname-version] as an allowed prefix? Then, the exact same RPMs could be used by someone who doesn't care about Flatpaks _and_ to construct the Flatpak, with no really-invasive changes. (Perhaps by making a link inside the Flatpak, or simply by asking for an extension to Flatpak to support the different application root.) From the FHS 3.0: /opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages. ... but it doesn't actually define what "add-on application software packages" are. Although we integrate it all together in Fedora, arguably a lot of our software could qualify. From our current Packaging Guidelines: /opt and its related directories (/etc/opt and /var/opt) is reserved for the use of vendors in the FHS. We have reserved the fedora name with LANANA for our use. If a package installs files into /opt it may only use directories in the /opt/fedora hierarchy. Fedora attempts to organize this directory by allocating a subdirectory of our /opt/fedora directory for specific subsystems. If you think you need to use /opt/fedora please file an FPC ticket to decide whether it's a valid use of /opt and what subdirectory should be allocated for your use. .... so, it's not completely outside the realm of precedent. I know it's very different from our existing "blend everything into /usr" approach, but I think it might be worth doing for the increased flexibility. What do you all think? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2016-10-20 16:00 - 17:55 UTC)

by James Antill

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 16:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-10-20/fpc.2016- 10-20-16.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 16:00:06) * Schedule (geppetto, 16:05:01) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedor aproject.org/message/R3O7PI5EMW7ARWVDEKS6N7M32OAWDI4I/ (geppetto, 16:05:04) * #655 meson buildsystem guidelines (geppetto, 16:05:32) * #656 pre/post-release version guidelines need major simplification (geppetto, 16:07:58) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/VersioningCleanup (tibbs, 16:10:17) * ACTION: Version of 0 should be used for packages with no upstream version (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 16:51:11) * #654 glibc file triggers (geppetto, 17:10:25) * Open Floor (geppetto, 17:39:01) Meeting ended at 17:55:51 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Version of 0 should be used for packages with no upstream version (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Version of 0 should be used for packages with no upstream version (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tibbs (173) * geppetto (95) * limburgher (63) * zodbot (14) * tomspur (13) * Rathann (13) * zbyszek (9) * moto-timo (6) * racor (2) * orionp (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Re: exploring a crazy (?) idea: /opt/fedora/apps for some applications?

by Matthew Miller

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:08:15PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > I actually had had a copr setup with a custom redhat-rpm-config > > > that automatically built things in a different prefix. Most > > > things built just fine with zero specfile changes. > > Well, that's encouraging, at least. It still means some degree of > > doing everything twice, but at least it's mostly computers doing > > it. :) > Just don't look at the macros, or you'll go blind! :) Ha. I've looked at the regular redhat-rpm-config macros so I'm partially-innoculated. But generally, doing... creative... things there is better than putting more complication in each spec file. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2016-10-20 16:00 UTC)

by James Antill

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2016-10-20 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2016-10-20 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2016-10-20 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2016-10-20 16:00 Thu UTC <- 2016-10-20 17:00 Thu Europe/London BST 2016-10-20 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CEST 2016-10-20 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CEST 2016-10-20 21:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST ------------------new day---------------------- 2016-10-21 00:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2016-10-21 00:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2016-10-21 01:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2016-10-21 02:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane AEST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 = Followups = #topic #398 Tilde in version .fpc 398 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/398 #topic #558 Application/Library distinction and package splitting .fpc 558 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/558 #topic #610 Packaging guidelines: Check upstream tarball signatures .fpc 610 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/610 #topic #647 No mention of macros for systemd scriptlets for user units .fpc 647 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/647 #topic #650 Alternate Python Interpreters .fpc 650 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/650 #topic #654 glibc file triggers .fpc 654 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/654 = New business = #topic #655 meson buildsystem guidelines .fpc 655 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/655 #topic #656 pre/post-release version guidelines need major simplification .fpc 656 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/656 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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Re: exploring a crazy (?) idea: /opt/fedora/apps for some applications?

by Matthew Miller

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 04:54:45PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > I actually had had a copr setup with a custom redhat-rpm-config that > automatically built things in a different prefix. Most things built > just fine with zero specfile changes. Well, that's encouraging, at least. It still means some degree of doing everything twice, but at least it's mostly computers doing it. :) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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[RFC] Standardizing RPM macro for out-of-tree builds

by Igor Gnatenko

Hi, during last FPC meeting we agreed[0] that we need some standardization of macro related to builds where builddir != srcdir (and with possibility to make it builddir = srcdir). I was working to make guidelines for ninja and meson. For ninja it doesn't matter from where you build (it's like make), but meson itself accepts ONLY out-of-tree builds. Would be nice to get system-wide (rpm-wide?) macro which stands for: 1) source directory where CMakeLists.txt/meson.build/configure are 2) build directory (I think _target_platform is a good candidate) to make out-of-tree conversion to in-tree, you do the RPM variable override. For example, in openSUSE it's defined in cmake[1] as __builddir and __srcdir. Ideas, suggestions are appreciated! [0] https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-10-13/fpc.2016-10... [1] https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/cmake /cmake.macros?expand=1 -- -Igor Gnatenko

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2016-10-13 16:00 - 17:30 UTC)

by James Antill

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 16:00:09 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-10-13/fpc.2016- 10-13-16.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 16:00:09) * Schedule (geppetto, 16:05:17) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedor aproject.org/message/WASCNXSJHWVYGM2CZFW4UXLINCRXBCRD/ (geppetto, 16:05:18) * #655 meson buildsystem guidelines (geppetto, 16:05:34) * LINK: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/cmake /cmake.macros?expand=1 (ignatenkobrain, 16:10:35) * LINK: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/ninja-build.git/tree/macros .ninja (ignatenkobrain, 16:21:53) * LINK: https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/blob/master/data/macros.meson (tibbs, 16:30:06) * LINK: https://github.com/ninja-build/ninja/wiki/List-of-generators-produc ing-ninja-build-files (ignatenkobrain, 16:32:38) * ACTION: ignatenkobrain Will start thread on packaging@ about generalized macros for out-of-tree builds (geppetto, 16:54:13) * apart from that everyone seems happy with the proposal (geppetto, 16:54:31) * #650 Alternate Python Interpreters (geppetto, 16:55:15) * Open Floor (geppetto, 17:00:35) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1380878#c8 onwards, I guess? (geppetto, 17:02:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/packaging-guidelines (tibbs, 17:12:47) Meeting ended at 17:30:32 UTC. Action Items ------------ * ignatenkobrain Will start thread on packaging@ about generalized macros for out-of-tree builds Action Items, by person ----------------------- * ignatenkobrain * ignatenkobrain Will start thread on packaging@ about generalized macros for out-of-tree builds * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tibbs (122) * ignatenkobrain (103) * Rathann (72) * geppetto (42) * limburgher (28) * Pharaoh_Atem (26) * orionp (18) * zodbot (13) * racor (11) * RemiFedora (1) * fale (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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