Using upstream unusual package name

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

If an upstream package uses an unusual name, such as brainf*ck, is it
okay to use the same for a Fedora package name?

Please let me know.

SK

[Truong Anh Tuan]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shakthi Kannan" 
> To: "Discussion of RPM packaging standards and practices for Fedora" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:00:33 PM
> Subject: [Fedora-packaging] Using upstream unusual package name
>
> If an upstream package uses an unusual name, such as brainf*ck, is it
> okay to use the same for a Fedora package name?

Hi Shakthi,

Please read Naming Guidelines [1] carefully.
As you see, "star" (*) character is not allowed in Fedora package name.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Common_Character_Se...

Kind regards, 
Tuan

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Truong Anh. Tuan
 wrote:
| Please read Naming Guidelines [1] carefully.
| As you see, "star" (*) character is not allowed in Fedora package name.
--

I had referred to:

http://hackage.haskell.org/package/brainfuck

SK

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:42:23PM +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> --- On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Truong Anh. Tuan
>  wrote:
> | Please read Naming Guidelines [1] carefully.
> | As you see, "star" (*) character is not allowed in Fedora package name.
> --
>
> I had referred to:
>
> http://hackage.haskell.org/package/brainfuck

Ah... so you're actually refering to the obscenity in the package name?
That's a good question.  We generally want to keep things "family friendly"
but in this case both the program and the programming language it implements
have that name.  I'd lean towards allowing it but you might want to open
a ticket here and the full FPC can consider it:

https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/newticket

(You'll need to log in to open the ticket.  We meet on Wednesdays so if you
can open it ASAp we'll be able to look at it then.)

-Toshio

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi Toshio,

--- On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Toshio Kuratomi  wrote:
| but in this case both the program and the programming language it implements
| have that name.
--

Right.

---
| you might want to open
| a ticket here and the full FPC can consider it:
|
| https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/newticket
--

I have a filed a new ticket (#212) for review. Thanks for your prompt response.

SK

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 09/25/2012 09:30 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:42:23PM +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Truong Anh. Tuan
> >  wrote:
> > | Please read Naming Guidelines [1] carefully.
> > | As you see, "star" (*) character is not allowed in Fedora package name.
> > --
> >
> > I had referred to:
> >
> > http://hackage.haskell.org/package/brainfuck
>
> Ah... so you're actually refering to the obscenity in the package name?
> That's a good question.  We generally want to keep things "family friendly"
> but in this case both the program and the programming language it implements
> have that name.  I'd lean towards allowing it but you might want to open
> a ticket here and the full FPC can consider it:

So do I. It's how its parents have named their child. We may like it or 
not, nevertheless, Fedora should react as grown-ups and respect their 
choice, unless the name would be illegal in juristictions applicable to 
Fedora.

That said, I can only guess on the reasons for their choice, probably 
they haven't quite quit puberty and "find it cool" or they mean their 
choice as some sort of provocation/attention-teaser.

The later would mean, if Fedora is taking special means, Fedora went 
into the trap they set up. - IMO, they should be treated with the amount 
of attention they deserve: An arbitrary package amongst 1000s of others ;)

Ralf

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:15:54PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> That said, I can only guess on the reasons for their choice,
> probably they haven't quite quit puberty and "find it cool" or they
> mean their choice as some sort of provocation/attention-teaser.

In a sense, the latter. This project is a toy / programmer's challenge, and
is basically meant to be what the name describes. Here, for example, is
"Hello World":

++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.

The Haskell implementation is more an example of Haskell than anything else.