T-shirts for contributors

[Jiri Eischmann]

Hi,
I'd like to discuss an idea:
in the past (after F19 and F20) we gave t-shirts to contributors that
were nominated by respective teams for their work on the last Fedora
release. We packaged them with a "Thank you" message.
It was a nice touch and a lot of contributors were very happy about, we
received very positive feedback which proves that this kind of
recognition makes sense.

I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to create
artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424

One emphasizes that the owner of the t-shirt is a member of Fedora
family (the "People" aspect of Fedora Project), the other emphasizes
the work (the "Feature" aspect of Fedora Project). Which one do you
like more?

What we need to make this happen:
1. Artwork (checked)
2. Budget (one t-shirt is ~$5, last time we produced 200-250 of them, +
shipping)
3. Nominations from teams
4. Collected mail addresses
5. Production, packing, shipping

Opinions?

Jiri

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 04:49:30PM +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to
> create
>  artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
>  https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424 
Wow, I love them both. I can't be any help here. :)



>  1. Artwork (checked)
>  2. Budget (one t-shirt is ~$5, last time we produced 200-250 of them, +
>  shipping) 
I'm in favor of this, and not just because my 10 Years shirt is looking
a little worn. :)



-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Stephen Gallagher]

On 03/11/2016 10:49 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  Hi,
>  I'd like to discuss an idea:
>  in the past (after F19 and F20) we gave t-shirts to contributors that
>  were nominated by respective teams for their work on the last Fedora
>  release. We packaged them with a "Thank you" message.
>  It was a nice touch and a lot of contributors were very happy about, we
>  received very positive feedback which proves that this kind of
>  recognition makes sense.
>  
>  I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to create
>  artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
>  https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424
>  
>  One emphasizes that the owner of the t-shirt is a member of Fedora
>  family (the "People" aspect of Fedora Project), the other emphasizes
>  the work (the "Feature" aspect of Fedora Project). Which one do you
>  like more?
>   
I love both of the designs, but I think focusing on the "Friends" Foundation
here will do a better job of helping people feel welcome and part of a community
(and thus stay around longer).

If we focus all of our accolades around achievement, then people who drift away
from active contribution might feel less welcome than people who feel like part
of a family.


>  What we need to make this happen:
>  1. Artwork (checked)
>  2. Budget (one t-shirt is ~$5, last time we produced 200-250 of them, +
>  shipping)
>  3. Nominations from teams
>  4. Collected mail addresses
>  5. Production, packing, shipping
>  
>  Opinions?
>  
>  Jiri
>  
>  
>  
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[White, Langdon]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com&gt;
wrote:

>  On 03/11/2016 10:49 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > I'd like to discuss an idea:
>  > in the past (after F19 and F20) we gave t-shirts to contributors that
>  > were nominated by respective teams for their work on the last Fedora
>  > release. We packaged them with a "Thank you" message.
>  > It was a nice touch and a lot of contributors were very happy about, we
>  > received very positive feedback which proves that this kind of
>  > recognition makes sense.
>  >
>  > I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to create
>  > artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
>  > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424
>  >
>  > One emphasizes that the owner of the t-shirt is a member of Fedora
>  > family (the "People" aspect of Fedora Project), the other emphasizes
>  > the work (the "Feature" aspect of Fedora Project). Which one do you
>  > like more?
>  >
>
>  I love both of the designs, but I think focusing on the "Friends"
>  Foundation
>  here will do a better job of helping people feel welcome and part of a
>  community
>  (and thus stay around longer).
>
>  If we focus all of our accolades around achievement, then people who drift
>  away
>  from active contribution might feel less welcome than people who feel like
>  part
>  of a family.
>
>
>  
I straight up prefer the "friends" shirt. but am also very much in
agreement with stephen

langdon



>  > What we need to make this happen:
>  > 1. Artwork (checked)
>  > 2. Budget (one t-shirt is ~$5, last time we produced 200-250 of them, +
>  > shipping)
>  > 3. Nominations from teams
>  > 4. Collected mail addresses
>  > 5. Production, packing, shipping
>  >
>  > Opinions?
>  >
>  > Jiri
>  >
>  >
>  >
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>  >
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>  >
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>  >
>
>
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>  Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
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>
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>  open source software and content as a collaborative community.

[Robert Mayr]

2016-03-11 22:58 GMT+01:00 White, Langdon <langdon(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> > On 03/11/2016 10:49 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I'd like to discuss an idea:
> > > in the past (after F19 and F20) we gave t-shirts to contributors that
> > > were nominated by respective teams for their work on the last Fedora
> > > release. We packaged them with a "Thank you" message.
> > > It was a nice touch and a lot of contributors were very happy about, we
> > > received very positive feedback which proves that this kind of
> > > recognition makes sense.
> > >
> > > I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to create
> > > artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
> > > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424
> > >
> > > One emphasizes that the owner of the t-shirt is a member of Fedora
> > > family (the "People" aspect of Fedora Project), the other emphasizes
> > > the work (the "Feature" aspect of Fedora Project). Which one do you
> > > like more?
> > >
> >
> > I love both of the designs, but I think focusing on the "Friends"
> > Foundation
> > here will do a better job of helping people feel welcome and part of a
> > community
> > (and thus stay around longer).
> >
> > If we focus all of our accolades around achievement, then people who
> > drift away
> > from active contribution might feel less welcome than people who feel
> > like part
> > of a family.
> >
> >
> >
>  I straight up prefer the "friends" shirt. but am also very much in
>  agreement with stephen
>
>  langdon
>
>
>  
Yeah, last time it was great and people were very happy to get one. So,
it's a good idea to make it happen again.
The shirt is for the most active contributors of the teams, so it would fit
better to choose the 'Fedora contributor' shirt, but from a design POV the
'friends' shirt is more beautiful :)
If these designs are final and we cannot get a better 'contributor' one, I
would vote for 'Fedora friends'.
Thanks to Jiri for the idea.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Gerold]

Am 12.03.2016 um 11:34 schrieb Robert Mayr:
>  2016-03-11 22:58 GMT+01:00 White, Langdon <langdon(a)fedoraproject.org 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>
>
>
>      On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM Stephen Gallagher
>      <sgallagh(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>          On 03/11/2016 10:49 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>          > Hi,
>          > I'd like to discuss an idea:
>          > in the past (after F19 and F20) we gave t-shirts to
>          contributors that
>          > were nominated by respective teams for their work on the
>          last Fedora
>          > release. We packaged them with a "Thank you" message.
>          > It was a nice touch and a lot of contributors were very
>          happy about, we
>          > received very positive feedback which proves that this kind of
>          > recognition makes sense.
>          >
>          > I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to
>          create
>          > artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
>          > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424
>          >
>          > One emphasizes that the owner of the t-shirt is a member of
>          Fedora
>          > family (the "People" aspect of Fedora Project), the other
>          emphasizes
>          > the work (the "Feature" aspect of Fedora Project). Which one
>          do you
>          > like more?
>          >
>
>          I love both of the designs, but I think focusing on the
>          "Friends" Foundation
>          here will do a better job of helping people feel welcome and
>          part of a community
>          (and thus stay around longer).
>
>          If we focus all of our accolades around achievement, then
>          people who drift away
>          from active contribution might feel less welcome than people
>          who feel like part
>          of a family.
>
>
>
>      I straight up prefer the "friends" shirt. but am also very much in
>      agreement with stephen
>
>      langdon
>
>
>
>  Yeah, last time it was great and people were very happy to get one. 
>  So, it's a good idea to make it happen again.
>  The shirt is for the most active contributors of the teams, so it 
>  would fit better to choose the 'Fedora contributor' shirt, but from a 
>  design POV the 'friends' shirt is more beautiful :)
>  If these designs are final and we cannot get a better 'contributor' 
>  one, I would vote for 'Fedora friends'.
>  Thanks to Jiri for the idea.
>
>  -- 
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck)
>  
It doesn´t matter what artwork it is, it doesn´t matter which size it 
is; it doesn´t matter how much each one costs, ...
... the only matter which is important is: it is "officially fedora 
branded"
and maybe second there are just a bunch of it available.

Please have a look at the fairs everywhere in the world, in every fair 
there will be T-Shirts sold and from single projects also some given for 
free away. But on every fair, I was (and behind the desk) always were 
some user (!!!!) who asked shy about a shirt.
 From my POV, we (EMEA Ambassadors) startet long time ago another 
"quality" which I like to continue and seen moved forward also in that 
e-mail. A polo shirt has much more value and quality and second, it also 
has a much more lifetime. That said, at least I still have my first 
polos as Ambassador and this with the same color and quality and not in 
such a quality like some other t-shirts where the seam of the shirt is 
shifted.

I absolutly agree with producing wearable thing for users AND also for 
contributors in general but my credo will always be: quality instead of 
quantity.

Just my five cents
Gerold

[Stephen Gallagher]

On 03/12/2016 05:34 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  
>  2016-03-11 22:58 GMT+01:00 White, Langdon <langdon(a)fedoraproject.org
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>  
>  
>  
>      On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:00 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>          On 03/11/2016 10:49 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>          > Hi,
>          > I'd like to discuss an idea:
>          > in the past (after F19 and F20) we gave t-shirts to contributors that
>          > were nominated by respective teams for their work on the last Fedora
>          > release. We packaged them with a "Thank you" message.
>          > It was a nice touch and a lot of contributors were very happy about, we
>          > received very positive feedback which proves that this kind of
>          > recognition makes sense.
>          >
>          > I'd like to repeat it after F24. I've asked Maria Leonova to create
>          > artworks. She developed two difference artwork ideas:
>          > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/424
>          >
>          > One emphasizes that the owner of the t-shirt is a member of Fedora
>          > family (the "People" aspect of Fedora Project), the other
> emphasizes
>          > the work (the "Feature" aspect of Fedora Project). Which one do
> you
>          > like more?
>          >
>  
>          I love both of the designs, but I think focusing on the "Friends"
> Foundation
>          here will do a better job of helping people feel welcome and part of a
>          community
>          (and thus stay around longer).
>  
>          If we focus all of our accolades around achievement, then people who
>          drift away
>          from active contribution might feel less welcome than people who feel
>          like part
>          of a family.
>  
>  
>  
>      I straight up prefer the "friends" shirt. but am also very much in
> agreement
>      with stephen
>  
>      langdon
>  
>  
>  
>  Yeah, last time it was great and people were very happy to get one. So, it's a
>  good idea to make it happen again.
>  The shirt is for the most active contributors of the teams, so it would fit
>  better to choose the 'Fedora contributor' shirt, but from a design POV the
>  'friends' shirt is more beautiful :) 
>  If these designs are final and we cannot get a better 'contributor' one, I would
>  vote for 'Fedora friends'.
>  Thanks to Jiri for the idea.
>   
Sure, we're giving them to the active contributors *today*, but I think what is
likely to keep them as contributors *tomorrow* is feeling like they're welcomed
as friends, rather than just kept around because they're useful.

[Robert Mayr]

2016-03-14 14:20 GMT+01:00 Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com&gt;:

>  On 03/12/2016 05:34 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  >
>  > Yeah, last time it was great and people were very happy to get one. So,
>  it's a
>  > good idea to make it happen again.
>  > The shirt is for the most active contributors of the teams, so it would
>  fit
>  > better to choose the 'Fedora contributor' shirt, but from a design POV
>  the
>  > 'friends' shirt is more beautiful :)
>  > If these designs are final and we cannot get a better 'contributor' one,
>  I would
>  > vote for 'Fedora friends'.
>  > Thanks to Jiri for the idea.
>  >
>
>  Sure, we're giving them to the active contributors *today*, but I think
>  what is
>  likely to keep them as contributors *tomorrow* is feeling like they're
>  welcomed
>  as friends, rather than just kept around because they're useful.
>
>  
Right, and as I said I'm quite happy with friends too, as I really got a
lot of friends around the world through Fedora.
I didn't understand contributors just as useful, I feel it more like "I'm
proud to be a Fedora contributor".

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Justin W. Flory]

On 03/14/2016 10:19 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  2016-03-14 14:20 GMT+01:00 Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>
>      On 03/12/2016 05:34 AM, Robert Mayr wrote:
>       >
>       > Yeah, last time it was great and people were very happy to get
>      one. So, it's a
>       > good idea to make it happen again.
>       > The shirt is for the most active contributors of the teams, so it
>      would fit
>       > better to choose the 'Fedora contributor' shirt, but from a
>      design POV the
>       > 'friends' shirt is more beautiful :)
>       > If these designs are final and we cannot get a better
>      'contributor' one, I would
>       > vote for 'Fedora friends'.
>       > Thanks to Jiri for the idea.
>       >
>
>      Sure, we're giving them to the active contributors *today*, but I
>      think what is
>      likely to keep them as contributors *tomorrow* is feeling like
>      they're welcomed
>      as friends, rather than just kept around because they're useful.
>
>
>  Right, and as I said I'm quite happy with friends too, as I really got a
>  lot of friends around the world through Fedora.
>  I didn't understand contributors just as useful, I feel it more like
>  "I'm proud to be a Fedora contributor". 
For the record, I'm also +1 to the "Friends" shirt design too. I think 
it sends a stronger message too and I agree with all of the previous 
points mentioned about why the "Friends" foundation is so important.

--
Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com