[Bug 1553702] New: Digit zero with an oblique strike instead of inside dot

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1553702

            Bug ID: 1553702
           Summary: Digit zero with an oblique strike instead of inside
                    dot
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
         Component: liberation-fonts
          Assignee: psatpute(a)redhat.com
          Reporter: mailinglists35(a)gmail.com
        QA Contact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: alexl(a)redhat.com, fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
                    i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
                    john.j5live(a)gmail.com, mbarnes(a)fastmail.com,
                    mclasen(a)redhat.com, petersen(a)redhat.com,
                    psatpute(a)redhat.com, rhughes(a)redhat.com,
                    rstrode(a)redhat.com, sandmann(a)redhat.com



Description of problem:

I'd wish to have a version of the monospaced font (Liberation Mono) where digit
zero has an oblique strike instead of inside dot.

The dot version makes it difficult to me to distinguish it from the digit eight

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):


How reproducible:
looking at the display

Steps to Reproduce:
1. look at digit zero displayed with Liberation Mono font
2.
3.

Actual results:
See a version with a dot in the middle of the shape

Expected results:
See a version with an oblique strike crossing the shape

Additional info:

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--- Comment #1 from vishal vijayraghavan <vvijayra(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Hi Mai,

Dot in middle of the shape zero looks good but sure if there is any ambiguity
between digit zero and digit eight will definitely fix that. 

Can you please add a screen shot for the mentioned issue.

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--- Comment #2 from Mai Ling <mailinglists35(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
I don't think is there any ambiguity for regular people.

I am myopic and I find much easier to distinguish sign zero from sign eight
when zero has an oblique strike instead of dot.

Providing screenshot would be irelevant, since you would need to see how the
image is formed on my retina vs how the image is formed on the screen... but
attaching anyway: 0 from libration mono versus 0 from apple's Menlo

https://i.imgur.com/tqIRaod.png
https://i.imgur.com/IHIWEs0.png

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--- Comment #3 from Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
A real screenshot would help to see how you are using the font...

Anyway I tend to agree that the slant is more legible.

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--- Comment #4 from Mai Ling <mailinglists35(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
what do you mean by "real" screenshot?
the above I've uploaded to imgur are pretty real, and I've spent quite some
office time to set it up, including time spent to find a similar font!

do you mean to provide screenshot of a block of text containing the digit? a
word editor? a ssh connection? what else is "real"?

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--- Comment #5 from Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
I mean a screenshot at actual size - obviously no ambiguity at the large sizes
you posted.

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--- Comment #8 from Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Well you said earlier screenshot would not help anyway.
I was just see a reallife instance when this is affecting you.

The feeling is that Liberation should not diverge from other
mainstream Office fonts, so it might be unlikely we can make this change.

If you still feel this is unreasonable maybe it is better to move
this discussion to https://github.com/liberationfonts/liberation-fonts. :-)

Have you tested with the newer liberation-fonts-2.0 ?

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--- Comment #7 from Mai Ling <mailinglists35(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
> I mean a screenshot at actual size 
is this issue blocked on a screenshot?

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--- Comment #9 from Mai Ling <mailinglists35(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
Created attachment 1489576
  --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1489576&action=edit
look at line 22:23:48

see a screenshot where it is hard to tell if it's zero or eight
loom around lines 22:23:45-22:23:58

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--- Comment #10 from Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Thanks for the photo: I can see what you mean (though a png screenshot from the
computer would be clearer I suppose).

But this leads me to a question: why are you using Liberation fonts as your
terminal font?  There are probably better clearer fonts for terms.

For example Dejavu is clearer: it has no dot or line for zero -
so the distinction between 0 and 8 is even clearer.

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