[Bug 526957] New: Fonts are larger than the windows equivalents

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Summary: Fonts are larger than the windows equivalents

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           Summary: Fonts are larger than the windows equivalents
           Product: Fedora
           Version: 11
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: low
         Component: liberation-fonts
        AssignedTo: cchance(a)redhat.com
        ReportedBy: daniel(a)viseztrance.com
         QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: petersen(a)redhat.com, cchance(a)redhat.com,
                    fedora-fonts-bugs-list(a)redhat.com,
                    fedora-i18n-bugs(a)redhat.com
    Classification: Fedora


The fonts are larger than their equivalents, thus braking some websites.
Having tested websites on windows, macosx and ubuntu, fedora is the only one
that breaks the layout because of the font size regardless of the browser used.

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--- Comment #2 from Caius 'kaio' Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-05-05
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Is every character of the fonts larger than the windows equivalents? Which
fonts are you using on other distributions / OSes? Have you selected Liberation
Fonts as default fonts? If so, which family of Liberation Fonts have you
selected?

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--- Comment #3 from Caius 'kaio' Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-05-05
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Would you please attach screenshots for reference, thanks.

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--- Comment #4 from Caius 'kaio' Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-05-11
02:47:07 EDT ---
ping

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--- Comment #5 from Daniel Mircea <daniel(a)viseztrance.com&gt; 2010-05-11 15:09:51 EDT
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(In reply to comment #3)
>  Would you please attach screenshots for reference, thanks.    
Sorry for not being able to reply faster. This is easy noticeable on most
websites. I picked up a somewhat random website -
http://www.yahoo-colgate-salud-bucal.com/
For example, the fonts are noticeably larger across the menu.

This is how it should look:
firefox windows - http://viseztrance.com/fedora/screen-win.png
firefox max os x - http://viseztrance.com/fedora/screen-mac.png
firefox ubuntu - http://viseztrance.com/fedora/screen-ubuntu.png

On fedora it almost overflows on firefox -
http://viseztrance.com/fedora/screen-fedora-firefox.png
Whereas in chromium it actually does -
http://viseztrance.com/fedora/screen-fedora-chromium.png

Compare the remaining distance to the right with fedoras. The fonts are just
larger.

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--- Comment #6 from Caius 'kaio' Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-05-11
23:15:55 EDT ---
Thanks so much for your info.

So, are you saying that both Firefox and Chromium on Fedora displayed
Liberation Fonts oversized?

Also, before I could confirm this bug, I would like you to have a look on the
font size settings in Firefox on the above OSes. Are they at same value, such
as 16?

Finally, I would like you to kindly check the DPI value in each OS. Are they at
same value? There is an online calculator which might be useful for you:
http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html

I could have a look on the metadata of the Fonts. I will get back to you on my
side.

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--- Comment #7 from Caius 'kaio' Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-05-11
23:34:59 EDT ---
Some TeX values are different. But I don't think is relevant. If Firefox on
other OSes displayed this font set correctly, then how about submit this bug to
Firefox component also?

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--- Comment #8 from Caius 'kaio' Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-05-11
23:39:57 EDT ---
How about if you could kindly give a try with this package?

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=172693

Though this is tag F14, these should be no impact to system stability and okay
to install.

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--- Comment #9 from Daniel Mircea <daniel(a)viseztrance.com&gt; 2010-05-13 16:53:09 EDT
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I installed the packages, and restarted X, but the issue remains.

To be fair, all the screenshots were made from very different machines, as such
different dpis; however the fonts on that website, were all set in pixels.
While nowadays browsers don't fully respect that to accomodate zooming, the
results are consistent.

As I mentioned before that was just an example.
The menu from this website looks broken only on fedora as well (regardless of
browser or dpi): http://www.css3.info/ ; I'm not sure if filing this bug under
firefox is appropriate.

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--- Comment #11 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-07-15 01:01:20 EDT
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Hi Daniel,

I am taking a look at this bug.

- one test case can confirm this bug in font or not
- just install liberation fonts in other OS you want
- and in OpenOffice or any other editor compare the default fonts of other OS
and liberation fonts at a same size.

or install other OS default fonts in fedora and check there size different at
particular point size


please put that image here. (sorry for extra over head or let me know those
fonts i will compare for you)

I think rendering of any web page have many dependencies, 

i.e screen resolution, setting of zoom attribute in web browser, selected font
size, web should be developed in uniform way i.e it should look same way on all
browser

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--- Comment #12 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-07-29 03:30:59 EDT
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ping Daniel

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--- Comment #14 from Daniel Mircea <daniel(a)viseztrance.com&gt; 2010-08-02 15:29:32 EDT
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Hi, I apologize for replying on such a late notice. 
The behaviour is not reproducible on open office, no matter how hard I tried.
As such, I think you are right, this is a browser issue (even though it's
resolved by installing the ms core fonts).

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--- Comment #15 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; 2010-08-03 00:50:11 EDT
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>  Hi, I apologize for replying on such a late notice.  
No problem, this happens

>  The behaviour is not reproducible on open office, no matter how hard
> I tried.
>  As such, I think you are right, this is a browser issue (even though it's
>  resolved by installing the ms core fonts).     
We have some plan to enhance its metric compatibility more, will do next
release 1.07 with this update.

I am closing this as a NotABug, 

In future if you have any input's in this regards do update it, will be happy
to fix it

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