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Summary: IPA mincho font should not be assigned to sans-serif family
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=568245
Summary: IPA mincho font should not be assigned to sans-serif
family
Product: Fedora
Version: 12
Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: medium
Priority: low
Component: ipa-mincho-fonts
AssignedTo: tagoh(a)redhat.com
ReportedBy: t.matsuu(a)gmail.com
QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
CC: tagoh(a)redhat.com, fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Classification: Fedora
Currently, IPA mincho font belongs to sans-serif family by 65-ipa-mincho.conf.
However it's a "monospace" sans-serif font.
sans-serif family is generally expected to have "proportional" sans-serif fonts
such as Liberation Serif. So we should add monospace sans-serif font to
sans-serif family only when the font have special or rare glyphs which other
sans-serif family fonts don't have.
And
I suppose IPA mincho font should belong to monospace family or have no font
family alias.
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--- Comment #1 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> 2010-02-25 03:06:43 EST ---
Assuming s/sans-serif/serif/.
Strictly speaking, no sans-serif/serif fonts in any East Asian fonts. but it's
well-known that Mincho type face is compatible with serif. plus, I don't think
your objection will be applied to such fonts since for example,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monospaced_font avoids explaining about them.
If you prefer using non-proportional Japanese fonts for serif, I don't have any
objections for that. we can update the priority for ipa-mincho-fonts and
ipa-pmincho-fonts say. but this would be a kind of the preference. I'll keep
ipa-mincho-fonts in serif as fallback though.
--- Comment #2 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> 2010-03-05 02:27:53 EST ---
Any comments?
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--- Comment #3 from Takanori MATSUURA <t.matsuu(a)gmail.com> 2010-03-05 10:56:55 EST
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Created an attachment (id=398075)
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Screenshot of IPA and IPAex fonts
Hmm. I got no email for this bug in 2010-02-25.
(In reply to comment #1)
Assuming s/sans-serif/serif/.
Oops.
Thanks.
it's well-known that Mincho type face is compatible with serif.
I basically agree. But I think ipa-pmincho (and/or ipaex-mihcno) is better for
serif in IPA and IPAex fonts family.
If you say ipa-mincho should be keep in serif, ipa-gothic should be in
sans-serif which is set in monospace. I suppose ipa-gothic font also belongs
to monospaced font because both ipa-mincho and ipa-gothic have same font width.
I suggest:
65-ipa-gothic (monospace)
65-ipa-mincho (monospace)
65-ipa-pgothic (sans-serif)
65-ipa-pmincho (serif)
65-ipaex-gothic (sans-serif)
65-ipaex-mincho (serif)
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Summary|IPA mincho font should not |IPA mincho font should not
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--- Comment #4 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> 2010-03-08 07:57:25 EST ---
(In reply to comment #3)
If you say ipa-mincho should be keep in serif, ipa-gothic should be
in
sans-serif which is set in monospace. I suppose ipa-gothic font also belongs
to monospaced font because both ipa-mincho and ipa-gothic have same font width.
It is.
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--- Comment #5 from Takanori MATSUURA <t.matsuu(a)gmail.com> 2010-03-08 20:05:11 EST
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Ah, I forgot to check F13 package.
You have already changed in ipa-gothic-fonts F13 as it is.
In case of ipa-mincho-fonts, does it still only have serif?
ipa-mincho-fonts and ipa-gothic-fonts have non-symmetric fontconfig setting
though the only difference between two fonts are their family of serif and
sans-serif and their font width are identical.
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--- Comment #6 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> 2010-03-10 03:26:02 EST ---
I don't think the variable line weight which is characteristic of Mincho
typeface is comfortable with the daily use of the terminal say. which uses the
monospaced font. that's why we have ever preferred Gothic typeface for
monospaced font rather than Mincho typeface I think.
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--- Comment #7 from Takanori MATSUURA <t.matsuu(a)gmail.com> 2010-03-10 03:48:13 EST
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Font family of serif, sans-serif, monospace is the mixture classification of
font shape and font width. And it's difficult to fully fit Japanese font to
English culture.
I think your policy is not logical but technical. But I understand it's your
policy as a packager.
Please change the status to CLOSED/WONTFIX.
Thank you for the discussion.
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--- Comment #8 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> 2010-03-11 03:34:38 EST ---
Hmm, not (that much) talking about the technical things but mainly worrying
about usability. aside from that as I suggested at comment #1, using
ipa-pmincho-fonts prior to ipa-mincho-fonts sounds good to me though.
FWIW I just noticed that we assign Courier font to Monospace but not to Serif
anymore, which has ever used for Serif. in that sense adding ipa-mincho-fonts
to Monospace may makes sense. I don't know if it's similar case for this and
also don't know if there are any chance that it could be used as the primary
font on Monospace.
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--- Comment #9 from Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> 2010-07-13 01:17:02 EDT ---
ipa-pmincho-fonts has a priority than ipa-mincho-fonts for serif now. I however
am still opposed to add ipa-mincho-fonts to monospace because the above
comments. for that request, unfortunately I won't fix that.
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