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[Fedora-i18n-list] Configuring default font
by Ali Majdzadeh 19 Dec '07

19 Dec '07

Hello All Sorry, if my question is elementary. I have installed Persian fonts. Is there a way to configure the system to use a special font as the system default font? I can view and edit text using installed fonts, but I don't know how I can specify a font to be the default one. (For example, in desktop environments or widgets' captions.) Best Regards Ali

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Re: F7 SCIM and StarDict problem
by Tina Chou 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:16:50 +0800, Hu Zheng wrote > Can the entry get focus? > The entry can get focus. I can type English without problem but can't switch to Chinese input. I can only copy and paste Chinese words in the entry to look for translation. > 在 2007-09-26三的 18:00 +0800，Tina Chou写道： > > Hi, > > > > I want to add one more thing. I have actually installed fonts-japanese back along with > > StarDict 2.4.8. - everything works. > > > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:34:13 +0800, Hu Zheng wrote > > > The difference between 2.4.8 and 3.0.0 is that the entry widget become > > > different. > > > 2.4.8 use the old deprecated "gtk_combo_new", while 3.0.0 use > > > "gtk_combo_box_entry_new_with_model". > > > > > > > Can your 3.0.0 combo entry get focus? > > Sorry, can you talk more about 'combo entry' ? > > > > > Click the translate button, can you input word in the textview? > > I can't see the translate button in Stardict 3.0. Is that the little arrow button > > next to the entry field on top? > > > > > Can you input words in gedit? > > Yes, I can input Chinese in gedit. > > > > > > > > 在 2007-09-26三的 16:12 +0800，Tina Chou写道： > > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:14:03 +1000, Jens Petersen wrote > > > > > Tina Chou wrote: > > > > > > Yes I'm using scim-tables-chinese. > > > > > > But I can't even switch to any IM in scim. > > > > > > > > > > in stardict, right? > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which stardict package are you running? > > > > Stardict 3.0 > > > > > > > > This morning I uninstalled fonts-japanese (I use f7 in Chinese) > > > > but nothing changed. > > > > > > > > Then I reinstalled an old version of Stardict (stardict-2.4.8-1.i386.rpm) > > > > and it worked again. (I can switch to scim and type Chinese) > > > > > > > > Does it mean the latest Stardict has problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> The next problem is about ZhuYin（注音）and CangJie version 5（倉頡第五代）. > > > > > >>>>> In their menu, Korea characters shows up at the front somehow (but they used > > > > > >>>>> to be at the end). > > > > > >> Which fonts do you have installed? > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's what I got running rpm -qa fonts-\* | sort: > > > > > > fonts-chinese-3.03-4.fc7 > > > > > > fonts-japanese-0.20061016-6.fc7 > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to uninstall fonts-japanese if you don't need it > > > > > (particularly if you're running your desktop in English say). > > > > > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list > > > > Fedora-i18n-list(a)redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list > > > > > > --------------------- > > 苑婷 > > chouy(a)ematters.com.tw > > > > 使用者論壇 Forums - 數學討論區 Math (http://tps02.konwen.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=16) > > tips介紹 http://tps01.ematters.com.tw/resources/technology_desk/signature_tips/ > > --------------------- 苑婷 chouy(a)ematters.com.tw 編輯個人網頁後，記得要執行 make_my_web 來更新網頁。 (http://tps01.ematters.com.tw/~chouy/resources/data/scripts/gnome_web/make_m…) tips介紹 http://tps01.ematters.com.tw/resources/technology_desk/signature_tips/

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Re: F7 SCIM and StarDict problem
by Tina Chou 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:14:03 +1000, Jens Petersen wrote > Tina Chou wrote: > > Yes I'm using scim-tables-chinese. > > But I can't even switch to any IM in scim. > > in stardict, right? Yes. > > Which stardict package are you running? Stardict 3.0 This morning I uninstalled fonts-japanese (I use f7 in Chinese) but nothing changed. Then I reinstalled an old version of Stardict (stardict-2.4.8-1.i386.rpm) and it worked again. (I can switch to scim and type Chinese) Does it mean the latest Stardict has problems? > > >>>>> The next problem is about ZhuYin（注音）and CangJie version 5（倉頡第五代）. > >>>>> In their menu, Korea characters shows up at the front somehow (but they used > >>>>> to be at the end). > >> Which fonts do you have installed? > > > > Here's what I got running rpm -qa fonts-\* | sort: > > fonts-chinese-3.03-4.fc7 > > fonts-japanese-0.20061016-6.fc7 > > I suggest to uninstall fonts-japanese if you don't need it > (particularly if you're running your desktop in English say). > > Jens --------------------- Tina

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aspell-fo version problem
by Warren Togami 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

* Mon Sep 17 2007 Ivana Varekova <varekova(a)redhat.com> - 50:0.2.16-1 - update to 0.2.16 * Thu Mar 29 2007 Ivana Varekova <varekova(a)redhat.com> - 50:0.51-6 - add documentation F7 > F8 (50:0.51-6.fc7 > 50:0.2.16-6.fc8) What's going on here? Upgrades from F7 to F8 will fail because RPM thinks the version in F8 is "older". Please fix this, or bump epoch on the F8 package. Thanks, Warren Togami wtogami(a)redhat.com

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Re: F7 SCIM and StarDict problem
by Tina Chou 21 Sep '07

21 Sep '07

Hi, The answer is on the below. Thank you. Tina > From: Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com> > To: chouy(a)ematters.com.tw, Fedora internationalization discussions > <fedora-i18n-list(a)redhat.com> > Cc: Hu Zheng <zhu(a)redhat.com> > Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:44:06 +1000 > Subject: Re: F7 SCIM and StarDict problem > > Tina Chou さんは書きました: > > I just tried to type Chinese in gimp and it worked. > > I can input Japanese ok anyway with stardict-3.0.0-3.fc7. > Which input method are you using with scim? scim-tables-chinese? Yes I'm using scim-tables-chinese. But I can't even switch to any IM in scim. > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:10:52 +0800, Hu Zheng wrote > >>> The next problem is about ZhuYin（注音）and CangJie version 5（倉頡第五代）. > >>> In their menu, Korea characters shows up at the front somehow (but they used > >>> to be at the end). > > Which fonts do you have installed? > > What is the output of "rpm -qa fonts-\* | sort"? Here's what I got running rpm -qa fonts-\* | sort: fonts-chinese-3.03-4.fc7 fonts-japanese-0.20061016-6.fc7 > > Jens

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F7 SCIM and StarDict problem
by Tina Chou 21 Sep '07

21 Sep '07

Hi, Recently I experienced some SCIM problems F7. The first problem is that I can't switch to any IM in StarDict. It doesn't show any feedback to me, not even a space. Therefore, I can only do Chinese-English translation by pasting Chinese characters in it. ************************* The next problem is about ZhuYin（注音）and CangJie version 5（倉頡第五代）. In their menu, Korea characters shows up at the front somehow (but they used to be at the end). I first noticed this problem when I updated scim in FC6（2007-05-21). At that time, I updated it to: scim-tables-0.5.7-2.1.fc6 scim-tables-chinese-0.5.7-2.1.fc6 So I restored to an older version, which Traditional Chinese shows first in the menu: scim-tables-0.5.6-7.i386.rpm scim-tables-chinese-0.5.6-7.i386.rpm Now, when I am in F7, one of my machines has this problem again, but another one doesn't. They have the same SCIM version as below: scim-m17n-0.2.1-1.fc7 scim-bridge-0.4.10-1.fc7 scim-1.4.5-21.fc7 scim-tables-0.5.7-3.fc7 scim-chewing-0.3.1-9.fc7 scim-anthy-1.2.4-1.fc7 scim-tables-chinese-0.5.7-3.fc7 scim-bridge-gtk-0.4.10-1.fc7 scim-libs-1.4.5-21.fc7 scim-pinyin-0.5.91-16.fc7 Do I miss anything in SCIM? Thank you. --------------------- Tina chouy(a)ematters.com.tw

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Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Dimitris Glezos 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

Στις 20-09-2007, ημέρα Πεμ, και ώρα 23:17 -0400, ο/η Máirín Duffy έγραψε: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix > > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give > > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. > > > > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask > > again next year? > > I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in? I'm definitely in. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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Volunteer Needed: fedora-i18n-list Admin
by Warren Togami 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

Anyone here want to be a list admin for fedora-i18n-list? I would prefer to give list ownership to someone who is already a developer within the Fedora Project. When accepted you will become co-owner of this list along with Jens Petersen. Warren Togami wtogami(a)redhat.com

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I18n Bug Event
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

The Fedora I18n team is hosting a Fedora i18n bug event starting this Friday: When? We will start with an all day bug squashing event during 2007-09-20 23:00 UTC to 2007-09-21 12:00 UTC, and continue the effort until the Test3 devel freeze is due to start on Tuesday. What? We will basically be focusing on bugs from this list: <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&bug_status=NEW,ASSIG…> but if you have other urgent issues related to i18n that you believe need addressing for F8 you're welcome to bring those along to discuss. How to help? (see <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join>) Bugzilla: unless you just want to ask questions you'll need a bugzilla account of course: see the above link. IRC: Freenode #fedora-i18n (people from the I18n Team should be online Friday (at least during 2007-09-20 23:00 UTC to 2007-09-21 12:00) and also on Monday - during the weekend it may be more sporadic but please hang around if you can) QA/Testing: install Test2 or current Fedora development (rawhide) and helping to test and triage bugs, reporting problems, etc. Mailing-list: fedora-i18n-list(a)redhat.com - bugzilla is the preferred place for discussion but if you can't join us or find us on irc, or are unsure about something and have questions feel free to ask on the mailing-list. Goal? This event is taking place just before the the F8 Test3 freeze in order to improve the quality of the F8 release and help close/move more i18n bugs before the final devel freeze. Hope you will be able to join us and help squash those bugs. :-) Have fun, Jens

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[Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Nicolas Mailhot 14 Sep '07

14 Sep '07

Hi all [I wanted to prepare a bit more before writing this, but it seems everyone is asking about the same things at once, so this will have to do] I'd like know what people think of setting up a font SIG, and if there are enough would-be contributors for such a SIG to be viable. Fonts are a very transversal subject in Fedora, and the initial To: list reflects this. Please take care to reply on fedora-devel only however. The situation right now is: 1. we have several font packages in Fedora, but are only scratching what could be packaged. http://mihmo.livejournal.com/45152.html 2. In particular the art team wants a lot more fonts in for its Art spin http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio 3. I don't believe our font selection is optimal for every locale. It took a near-revolt by our Greek users to get their situation fixed in Fedora Core 6, and there are probably many other problem locales, where users just pass on Fedora or bear their pain silently instead of telling us about problems. 4. The i18n team is nominally in charge of selecting the best fonts for each locale, but does not always have the right local contacts to do so. So far i18n has focused on technical problems : if your locale needs complex IM methods you have i18n visibility, if your locale poses no technical challenge but your default fonts are suboptimal the i18n team may not notice you. 4. The l10n team has local contacts and could provide useful feedback on font choices, currently packaged font problems, local foundries/font designers that could be contacted to contribute to the FLOSS font pool, etc but has mostly focused on translation so far. 5. The desktop team handles our font infrastructure and takes the heat when a font is badly rendered (since we can not use the patented freetype autohinter many fonts that work fine under windows do not under Fedora) 6. We already have some font-related material disseminated on our wiki: - packaging rules, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ScriptletSnippets#head-4863fc4c93ce… - licensing rules http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#head-63f9d798a33b23a752e5a3b22a0888… - other http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejaVu 7. The font situation is bad enough we have a font exception to our FLOSS rules http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#head-daa717ea096fa4d9cf7… [for example we ship Luxi even though its licensing forbids modification, making it non-free http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE11.html] 8. There are efforts to drain the font licensing swamp and promote FLOSS fonts (http://unifont.org/go_for_ofl/), they are aligned with Fedora general objectives yet Fedora has totally ignored them so far (cf Liberation licensing choices) This is a stark contrast with the very active debian font team : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUIFonts The main part of the OLPC font page is the Debian font list! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fonts I believe there is enough interest in the various Fedora groups to improve the current situation through a font SIG. This SIG would be tasked with: A. providing a single point of entry for Fedora people interested in fonts, centralizing all our packaging rules or at least indexing them in a single place B. completing the existing font packaging documentation C. helping the i18n team maintain the font install list for each locale D. identifying fonts worthy of packaging for l10n or art reasons E. identifying problems in existing font packages and helping relay the info upstream F. identifying problems in our font infrastructure, packaging necessary font tools G. coordinating and effectively packaging new fonts As the current maintainer of dejavu, and a co-maintainer of charis and dejavu-lgc, I am ready to write a commented font spec example (B) (without legacy core font bits, which IMHO should be optional nowadays ; however I'm sure there are people ready and willing to write this part as an extension), and package a few fonts (G). The l10n and i18n groups are naturals for (C). We just have to steal the Debian receipe of having a font-by-locale table in our wiki. I think it's pretty obvious the art team is motivated by (E). IMHO the l10n team should have a role there too. Note that doing the legal analysis of a potential font is far from easy as font licensing practices are far less clean than software licensing practices. Also we should try to build font from sources whenever possible, but font building is often a mess. G will demand packagers and reviewers. By nature most of them will be active in other Fedora forums, so we're not talking of a few full-time SIG members but a lot of part-time contributors. I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask again next year? Kind regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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