[Fedora-i18n-list] i18n LANG setting in FC3

[Jamie Larsen]

I changed the LANG setting in /etc/sysconfig/i18n to

LANG=zh_TW.Big5 (or zh_TW.UTF-8) from the default LANG=en_US.UTF-8

An "echo $LANG" shows that the LANG setting has been changed to the new 
value.  However, this change is effective only in that session.  When I 
start a new shell, the LANG setting goes back to the default value.  Is 
there any script in FC3 that overwrites i18n settings?

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

Jamie Larsen wrote:
> I changed the LANG setting in /etc/sysconfig/i18n to
>
> LANG=zh_TW.Big5 (or zh_TW.UTF-8) from the default LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>
> An "echo $LANG" shows that the LANG setting has been changed to the new 
> value.  However, this change is effective only in that session.  When I 
> start a new shell, the LANG setting goes back to the default value.  Is 
> there any script in FC3 that overwrites i18n settings?

How about after rebooting say?

[Jamie Larsen]

After I changed the LANG setting in i18n, and restarted it ("source 
./i18n), my desktop changed into Chinese.  So I Iogged off and re-logged 
in (& selecting English as default).  Thereafter, the setting in i18n 
seemed to lose any effect.

Jens Petersen wrote:
> Jamie Larsen wrote:
> > I changed the LANG setting in /etc/sysconfig/i18n to
> >
> > LANG=zh_TW.Big5 (or zh_TW.UTF-8) from the default LANG=en_US.UTF-8
> >
> > An "echo $LANG" shows that the LANG setting has been changed to the 
> > new value.  However, this change is effective only in that session.  
> > When I start a new shell, the LANG setting goes back to the default 
> > value.  Is there any script in FC3 that overwrites i18n settings?
>
> How about after rebooting say?
>
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[Leon Ho]

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Jamie Larsen wrote:
> After I changed the LANG setting in i18n, and restarted it ("source 
> ./i18n), my desktop changed into Chinese.  So I Iogged off and re-logged 
> in (& selecting English as default).  Thereafter, the setting in i18n 
> seemed to lose any effect.

If you selected English in gdm login screen, you will override any 
language set in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.

Order of where to get language settings first:
1. gdm
2. ~/.i18n
3. /etc/sysconfig/i18n

Hope it helps,
Leon
> Jens Petersen wrote:
> > Jamie Larsen wrote:
> > > I changed the LANG setting in /etc/sysconfig/i18n to
> > >
> > > LANG=zh_TW.Big5 (or zh_TW.UTF-8) from the default LANG=en_US.UTF-8
> > >
> > > An "echo $LANG" shows that the LANG setting has been changed to the 
> > > new value.  However, this change is effective only in that session.  
> > > When I start a new shell, the LANG setting goes back to the default 
> > > value.  Is there any script in FC3 that overwrites i18n settings?
> >
> > How about after rebooting say?
> >
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[Jamie Larsen]

Thanks Leon.  Which gdm file will I find the LANG setting?

Leon Ho wrote:
> If you selected English in gdm login screen, you will override any 
> language set in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.
>
> Order of where to get language settings first:
> gdm
> ~/.i18n
> /etc/sysconfig/i18n
>
> Hope it helps,
> Leon

[Xiaotian Sun]

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:32:20 -1000, Jamie Larsen
 wrote:
> Thanks Leon.  Which gdm file will I find the LANG setting?

I guess Leon was referring to Language Selection on the log in screen
when he said gdm.

Xiaotian
> Leon Ho wrote:
> > If you selected English in gdm login screen, you will override any
> > language set in /etc/sysconfig/i18n.
> >
> > Order of where to get language settings first:
> > gdm
> > ~/.i18n
> > /etc/sysconfig/i18n
> >
> > Hope it helps,
> > Leon
>
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[Jamie Larsen]

Two questions:

1.  When I specify a language setting during logging in, what file or 
files get changed?

2.  I have also found out that that when I ran ./i18n, where the 
/etc/sysconfig/i18n file contains a LANG=zh_TW.Big5 entry, I can only 
change the LANG setting in root, but not as a user.  I DO NOT have an 
~/.i18n file.

What's going here?

Xiaotian Sun wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:32:20 -1000, Jamie Larsen
>  wrote:
> > Thanks Leon.  Which gdm file will I find the LANG setting?
>
> I guess Leon was referring to Language Selection on the log in screen
> when he said gdm.
>
> Xiaotian

[Leon Ho]

Hi Jamie,

On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 21:23 -1000, Jamie Larsen wrote:
> Two questions:
> When I specify a language setting during logging in, what file or
>
> files get changed?

FYI. If you set a language by default in gdm. It will update ~/.dmrc.
However it is not recommend to directly modify that file. If you want
user based setting, please deal with ~/.i18n file instead.
> I have also found out that that when I ran ./i18n, where the
>
> /etc/sysconfig/i18n file contains a LANG=zh_TW.Big5 entry, I can only 
> change the LANG setting in root, but not as a user.  I DO NOT have an 
> ~/.i18n file.

What is the command ./i18n that you are running? What package is it
from?

/etc/sysconfig/i18n is for system wide so it is make sense to only can
edit by root.

By default, ~/.i18n does not exist because by default user follows
system wide language settings.

You can create a user based settings if you wanted by:
# cat > ~/.i18n
LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8
[ctrl-D]

Hope it helps,
Leon
> What's going here?

[Fedora-i18n-list] OpenOffice in spanish environtment

[Alejandro Regodesebes]

Hi everybody!

I installed FC3 (full install) and got the updates,
but there is a problem which is still unresolved. In a
 Spanish environment (that is Spanish language and
Spanish keyboard), when iiim service is active,
OpenOffice.org doesn't print the “ñ” character (the
“n” with the “~” above, in case you can't see the
character in this email), but instead prints the “A”
an the “plus-minus” characters. The same occurs when
you try to write some symbols, like the degree symbol.
Accented characters, however, seen to works fine.

But, and here is the main problem, when I turn the
iiim service off, this characters prints correctly but
the accented characters doesn't appears anymore!

A similar problem was already in FC2, but in that
version OpenOffice.org worked fine when I turned iiim
off, and I know, from reading the Spanish discussion
list of Ooo, that I'm not the only user with this
problem.

I've tried installing Ooo from the main OpenOffice.org
site, and following the instructions from the
iimf-FAQ, but nothing happened.

Another problem: since my country (Argentina) had
signed some commercial accords with China, learning
Chinese is becoming a massive phenomena, just in the
university where I works the number of students of
Chinese is growing exponentially moth after moth. So
this is a great opportunity for free software. What is
needed is to use FC3 in Spanish environment, with
OpenOffice.org in Spanish, and to be able to switch
between Spanish and Chinese (both, traditional and
simplified) for writing in Ooo (using pinyin).

But I can't switch the input method in iiimf. In
gnome, when I try to add languages to gimlet, the list
is empty. In KDE, some applications like kedit appears
to works fine (switching between Spanish and Chinese),
but OpenOffice.org doesn't. The version that came with
FC3 opens, you can switch from Spanish to iiimf, but
when I try to select any language from the list in the
little window that appears, the programs just hangs.
In the OOo version from the official site, I can
switch with CTRL + space, but I can't put it in
pinyin. With the old xcin method, calling Ooo from a
script, Ooo works (but that is too difficult for the
“average MS-Windows user”). However, in every case the
problem of printing the special characters that I had
mentioned before remains.

Any idea? Thanks everybody (and please forget my basic
English). Thanks.

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[Fedora-i18n-list] OpenOffice in spanish environtment

[Lawrence Lim]

On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:16, Alejandro Regodesebes wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> I installed FC3 (full install) and got the updates,
> but there is a problem which is still unresolved. In a
>  Spanish environment (that is Spanish language and
> Spanish keyboard), when iiim service is active,
> OpenOffice.org doesn't print the “ñ” character (the
> “n” with the “~” above, in case you can't see the
> character in this email), but instead prints the “A”
> an the “plus-minus” characters. The same occurs when
> you try to write some symbols, like the degree symbol.
> Accented characters, however, seen to works fine.

This sounds very similar to bug 130851.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130851

Could you please try again with UnitLE?
> But, and here is the main problem, when I turn the
> iiim service off, this characters prints correctly but
> the accented characters doesn't appears anymore!

I will get back to you on this issue after my test environment has been
set up. :)
> A similar problem was already in FC2, but in that
> version OpenOffice.org worked fine when I turned iiim
> off, and I know, from reading the Spanish discussion
> list of Ooo, that I'm not the only user with this
> problem.
>
> I've tried installing Ooo from the main OpenOffice.org
> site, and following the instructions from the
> iimf-FAQ, but nothing happened.
>
> Another problem: since my country (Argentina) had
> signed some commercial accords with China, learning
> Chinese is becoming a massive phenomena, just in the
> university where I works the number of students of
> Chinese is growing exponentially moth after moth. So
> this is a great opportunity for free software. What is
> needed is to use FC3 in Spanish environment, with
> OpenOffice.org in Spanish, and to be able to switch
> between Spanish and Chinese (both, traditional and
> simplified) for writing in Ooo (using pinyin).
>
> But I can't switch the input method in iiimf. In
> gnome, when I try to add languages to gimlet, the list
> is empty.

This is due to bug 131217. You need to start an application to get it
active.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=131217
> In KDE, some applications like kedit appears
> to works fine (switching between Spanish and Chinese),
> but OpenOffice.org doesn't. The version that came with
> FC3 opens, you can switch from Spanish to iiimf, but
> when I try to select any language from the list in the
> little window that appears, the programs just

Are you referring to GIMLET?
> In the OOo version from the official site, I can
> switch with CTRL + space, but I can't put it in
> pinyin. With the old xcin method, calling Ooo from a
> script, Ooo works (but that is too difficult for the
> “average MS-Windows user”). However, in every case the
> problem of printing the special characters that I had
> mentioned before remains.
>
> Any idea? Thanks everybody (and please forget my basic
> English). Thanks.
>
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