Fonts with default Fedora installation

Hi,

Recently i done packaging of google-noto-fonts [1] for Fedora. With this
font we got number of new script fonts of Unicode which were not available
earlier. [2]

Just done editing of comps file and my question is out of these script
fonts how many we suppose to install by default.

Presently we are following like at least one fonts for each script should
be available with default installation, so if anyone while browsing web etc
can get correct rendering for his script.

But here issue is supporting whole Unicode with default installation will
be too much.

Might be we should only install fonts for BMP of Unicode and lets have
other fonts installed by users when required (we do have feature in Fedora
where if any fonts are not installed by default fontconfig search for
particular script fonts.)

I have done comps editing by keeping above thing in mind. If anyone have
other suggestion please let me know.

Best Regards,
Pravin Satpute

1. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/google-noto-fonts
2. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=456970

Added devel list proper email id.

Regards,
Pravin S

On 26 August 2013 17:15, [e-mail]  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Recently i done packaging of google-noto-fonts [1] for Fedora. With this
> font we got number of new script fonts of Unicode which were not available
> earlier. [2]
>
> Just done editing of comps file and my question is out of these script
> fonts how many we suppose to install by default.
>
> Presently we are following like at least one fonts for each script
> should be available with default installation, so if anyone while browsing
> web etc can get correct rendering for his script.
>
> But here issue is supporting whole Unicode with default installation
> will be too much.
>
> Might be we should only install fonts for BMP of Unicode and lets have
> other fonts installed by users when required (we do have feature in Fedora
> where if any fonts are not installed by default fontconfig search for
> particular script fonts.)
>
> I have done comps editing by keeping above thing in mind. If anyone have
> other suggestion please let me know.
>
> Best Regards,
> Pravin Satpute
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/google-noto-fonts
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=456970

[Bill Nottingham]

[e-mail] ([e-mail]) said:
> > Recently i done packaging of google-noto-fonts [1] for Fedora. With this
> > font we got number of new script fonts of Unicode which were not available
> > earlier. [2]
> >
> > Just done editing of comps file and my question is out of these script
> > fonts how many we suppose to install by default.
> >
> > Presently we are following like at least one fonts for each script
> > should be available with default installation, so if anyone while browsing
> > web etc can get correct rendering for his script.
> >
> > But here issue is supporting whole Unicode with default installation
> > will be too much.
> >
> > Might be we should only install fonts for BMP of Unicode and lets have
> > other fonts installed by users when required (we do have feature in Fedora
> > where if any fonts are not installed by default fontconfig search for
> > particular script fonts.)
> >
> > I have done comps editing by keeping above thing in mind. If anyone have
> > other suggestion please let me know.

Sticking to the BMP is probably a good starting point, although I can see
desktop installations wanting the emoji subset of the SMP installed out of
the box.

Bill

On 27 August 2013 00:57, Bill Nottingham  wrote:
> [e-mail] ([e-mail]) said:
> > > Recently i done packaging of google-noto-fonts [1] for Fedora. With
>
> this
> > > font we got number of new script fonts of Unicode which were not
>
> available
> > > earlier. [2]
> > >
> > > Just done editing of comps file and my question is out of these
>
> script
> > > fonts how many we suppose to install by default.
> > >
> > > Presently we are following like at least one fonts for each script
> > > should be available with default installation, so if anyone while
>
> browsing
> > > web etc can get correct rendering for his script.
> > >
> > > But here issue is supporting whole Unicode with default installation
> > > will be too much.
> > >
> > > Might be we should only install fonts for BMP of Unicode and lets
>
> have
> > > other fonts installed by users when required (we do have feature in
>
> Fedora
> > > where if any fonts are not installed by default fontconfig search for
> > > particular script fonts.)
> > >
> > > I have done comps editing by keeping above thing in mind. If anyone
>
> have
> > > other suggestion please let me know.
>
> Sticking to the BMP is probably a good starting point, although I can see
> desktop installations wanting the emoji subset of the SMP installed out of
> the box.

Yeah.
If someone does specific request for SMP we should go ahead with it. At the
end of days it is going to take only some kb's space in ISO's.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le Mar 27 août 2013 06:34, [e-mail] a écrit :
> Yeah.
> If someone does specific request for SMP we should go ahead with it. At
> the
> end of days it is going to take only some kb's space in ISO's.

I know it's probably wishful thinking on my part, but it would be great if
all the local Fedora orgs (ambassadors…) spent a little time checking our
default fonts are suitable for their locale and suggested alternatives if
not. i18n shouldn't be centralized the way it is now. (we have good Greek
coverage for example because in the past Greek people got involved and
pointed us to the Greek Font Society, but unfortunately this is the
exception not the rule)

On 27 August 2013 14:04, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> Le Mar 27 août 2013 06:34, [e-mail] a écrit :
> > Yeah.
> > If someone does specific request for SMP we should go ahead with it. At
> > the
> > end of days it is going to take only some kb's space in ISO's.
>
> I know it's probably wishful thinking on my part, but it would be great if
> all the local Fedora orgs (ambassadors…) spent a little time checking our
> default fonts are suitable for their locale and suggested alternatives if
> not. i18n shouldn't be centralized the way it is now. (we have good Greek
> coverage for example because in the past Greek people got involved and
> pointed us to the Greek Font Society, but unfortunately this is the
> exception not the rule)

Yes, i do agree.
Presently we have more options and can be bit more choosy for default font.
http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f19-defaultfonts.html  can be useful
for this.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 17:15 +0530, [e-mail] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Recently i done packaging of google-noto-fonts [1] for Fedora. With
> this font we got number of new script fonts of Unicode which were not
> available earlier. [2]

Sorry to pick old emails, I have a devel@ backlog currently.

Just a plea to please be very conservative introducing new packages (and
hence extra size) to the default set, as both the DVD and desktop live
images are currently (Alpha, and Beta TC1) oversize and need trimming. I
think we should aim to have sufficient font coverage for all practical
out-of-the-box Fedora usage, but try and do so as efficiently as
possible, at least as long as we're sticking to current image size
targets. Thanks!

On 3 October 2013 16:34, Adam Williamson  wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 17:15 +0530, [e-mail] wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Recently i done packaging of google-noto-fonts [1] for Fedora. With
> > this font we got number of new script fonts of Unicode which were not
> > available earlier. [2]
>
> Sorry to pick old emails, I have a devel@ backlog currently.
>
> Just a plea to please be very conservative introducing new packages (and
> hence extra size) to the default set, as both the DVD and desktop live
> images are currently (Alpha, and Beta TC1) oversize and need trimming. I
> think we should aim to have sufficient font coverage for all practical
> out-of-the-box Fedora usage, but try and do so as efficiently as
> possible, at least as long as we're sticking to current image size
> targets. Thanks!

Yes, do agree with.

<packagereq type="default">google-noto-sans-lisu-fonts</packagereq>
-> 12K
      <packagereq
type="default">google-noto-sans-mandaic-fonts</packagereq>   ->   20K
      <packagereq
type="default">google-noto-sans-meeteimayek-fonts</packagereq>  ->  20K
      <packagereq
type="default">google-noto-sans-tagalog-fonts</packagereq>   ->   16K
      <packagereq
type="default">google-noto-sans-tai-tham-fonts</packagereq>  ->   36K
      <packagereq
type="default">google-noto-sans-tai-viet-fonts</packagereq>    ->   20K

Above are the packages added to default install list of Fedora from
google-noto-fonts, i believe these are important and we don't have
substitute for them in existing default fonts list packages.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute