[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[morpheus]

Hi,

I'm running FC2 with KDE English locale.  I've almost managed to get
Japanese input with IIim working, but I'm not all the way there.  I've
read the whole mailing list archive and tried a lot of things, and as a
last resort I'm sending this e-mail.

All latest versions of package installed properly.
I use the /etc/init.d/IIim script to start services, services running as
follows:

/usr/sbin/cannaserver -syslog -u bin
/usr/bin/jserver
httx
htt_xbe
/usr/sbin/htt
htt_server -nodaemon

Note that I modified the IIim script as follows, based on a
recommendation from this list:
LANG=ja_JP.UTF8 daemon --user htt $HTT $OPTIONS 2>&1 </dev/null

My .bash_profile contains:
export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
export GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8

When I run Ximian Evolution or any OpenOffice apps, I can right-click
and under Input Methods I can choose Internet/Intranet Input Method. 
When I do so, I get a little tab at the bottom of the window that says
"English".  However, I can't get it to change to Japanese.  I tried
Shift-Space, CTRL-Space, ALT-Space and even tried using the
Hankaku/Zenkaku key on my Japanese keyboard.  Nothing works.  Do I have
the wrong key combination or is my IIim not properly installed/running?

Hope someone can help.

-jr

PS - Is there a man page or a users guide yet?

[Lawrence Lim]

On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 09:26, morpheus wrote:
> When I run Ximian Evolution or any OpenOffice apps, I can right-click
> and under Input Methods I can choose Internet/Intranet Input Method. 
> When I do so, I get a little tab at the bottom of the window that says
> "English".  However, I can't get it to change to Japanese.  I tried
> Shift-Space, CTRL-Space, ALT-Space and even tried using the
> Hankaku/Zenkaku key on my Japanese keyboard.  Nothing works.  Do I have
> the wrong key combination or is my IIim not properly installed/running?

Seems like the server is installed ok. What about in the
/usr/lib/im/leif dir, do you see the CannaLE.so file?
> PS - Is there a man page or a users guide yet?

Have a look at the Testing Guide available on the web site at the
moment. A newer version will be available very soon.

Lawrence

[James Ryan]

Thanks.  I do have CannaLE.so in /usr/lib/im/leif
I've read the testing guide at
http://www.apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/testing-guide2/ but it doesn't
really say how to set up and use IIim, just what types of tests to
perform.  It says to press CTRL-Space to turn on LE, but that doesn't
work for me.
-jr

On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 03:14, Lawrence Lim wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 09:26, morpheus wrote:
> > When I run Ximian Evolution or any OpenOffice apps, I can right-click
> > and under Input Methods I can choose Internet/Intranet Input Method. 
> > When I do so, I get a little tab at the bottom of the window that says
> > "English".  However, I can't get it to change to Japanese.  I tried
> > Shift-Space, CTRL-Space, ALT-Space and even tried using the
> > Hankaku/Zenkaku key on my Japanese keyboard.  Nothing works.  Do I have
> > the wrong key combination or is my IIim not properly installed/running?
>
> Seems like the server is installed ok. What about in the
> /usr/lib/im/leif dir, do you see the CannaLE.so file?
> > PS - Is there a man page or a users guide yet?
>
> Have a look at the Testing Guide available on the web site at the
> moment. A newer version will be available very soon.
>
> Lawrence
>
> --
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> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[morpheus]

Thanks.  I do have CannaLE.so in /usr/lib/im/leif
I've read the testing guide at
http://www.apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/testing-guide2/ but it doesn't
really say how to set up and use IIim, just what types of tests to
perform.  It says to press CTRL-Space to turn on LE, but that doesn't
work for me.
-jr
> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 03:14, Lawrence Lim wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 09:26, morpheus wrote:
> > > When I run Ximian Evolution or any OpenOffice apps, I can right-click
> > > and under Input Methods I can choose Internet/Intranet Input Method. 
> > > When I do so, I get a little tab at the bottom of the window that says
> > > "English".  However, I can't get it to change to Japanese.  I tried
> > > Shift-Space, CTRL-Space, ALT-Space and even tried using the
> > > Hankaku/Zenkaku key on my Japanese keyboard.  Nothing works.  Do I have
> > > the wrong key combination or is my IIim not properly installed/running?
> >
> > Seems like the server is installed ok. What about in the
> > /usr/lib/im/leif dir, do you see the CannaLE.so file?
> > > PS - Is there a man page or a users guide yet?
> >
> > Have a look at the Testing Guide available on the web site at the
> > moment. A newer version will be available very soon.
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
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> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

morpheus wrote:
> My .bash_profile contains:
> export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
> export GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8

Just putting

XIM=htt

in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
in your X session.

You can do this also with the command

$ im-switch -m iiimf

Hth, Jens

[James Ryan]

Still not working.  I get "Internet/Intranet Input Method" as a choice
when I right-click in Evolution, and it is selected by default, but when
I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
combinations as well...
Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of
required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.
Also, in my processes, I have:

/usr/sbin/htt
htt_server -nodaemon

I remember seeing a post about something called httx...does that need to
be running and how do I run it?

-James

On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 09:34, Jens Petersen wrote:
> morpheus wrote:
> > My .bash_profile contains:
> > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
> > export GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> > export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8
>
> Just putting
>
> XIM=htt
>
> in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> in your X session.
>
> You can do this also with the command
>
> $ im-switch -m iiimf
>
> Hth, Jens
>
> --
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[morpheus]

Still not working.  I get "Internet/Intranet Input Method" as a choice
when I right-click in Evolution, and it is selected by default, but when
I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
combinations as well...
Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of
required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.
Also, in my processes, I have:

/usr/sbin/htt
htt_server -nodaemon
httx
htt_xbe

-James
> On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 09:34, Jens Petersen wrote:
> > morpheus wrote:
> > > My .bash_profile contains:
> > > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
> > > export GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> > > export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8
> >
> > Just putting
> >
> > XIM=htt
> >
> > in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> > in your X session.
> >
> > You can do this also with the command
> >
> > $ im-switch -m iiimf
> >
> > Hth, Jens
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Hideki Hiura]

> From: James Ryan 
> I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
> combinations as well...
> Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of

Yes, you need canna installed. That's the language engine used.

You may also want to have gimlet(gnome-im-switcher) installed
and run as applet, so that you can select the languages from
panel.

Also updating IIIMF packages from Rawhide or
http://people.redhat.com/yshao/im-sdk/rpms/ would be good.
You can get language switching listings with the key combination
    <Alt><Ctrl>l
or 
    <Alt><Ctrl>s
> required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.

iiimf-le-canna is the interface module for canna.
> /usr/sbin/htt
> htt_server -nodaemon

For gtk+ applications, this is fine, because it serves directly to gtk+.
 (htt is a watchdog for htt_server)

For other XIM applications, you need httx and htt_xbe.(htt_xbe works
as if XIM server, httx is a watchdog for htt_xbe)
> I remember seeing a post about something called httx...does that need to
> be running and how do I run it?

The code to run httx should be already there in default, in
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/xinput which refers the environment variable
$XIM.

I guess it is just because of canna package is missing?
> > > My .bash_profile contains:
> > > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt

This should be just
     export XMODIFIERS="@im=htt"

but Jens said,
> > Just putting
> >    XIM=htt
> > in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> > in your X session.
> > You can do this also with the command
> >    $ im-switch -m iiimf

should be fine.

--
hiura@{freestandards.org,OpenI18N.org,li18nux.org,unicode.org,sun.com} 
Chair, OpenI18N.org/The Free Standards Group          http://www.OpenI18N.org
Architect/Sr. Staff Engineer, Sun Microsystems, Inc, USA   eFAX: 509-693-8356

[morpheus]

Thanks, I installed canna and that didn't help either...  As for gimlet,
I'm running KDE, so I assume I can't use gimlet.
I'm using the latest packages, too.  I have removed and re-installed
them for good measure.
Once again, I have the following processes running:
/usr/sbin/htt
htt
htt_server -nodaemon
httx
htt_xbe
/usr/sbin/cannaserver -syslog -u bin

Should these be run as any particular user?  htt and htt_server are
running as "htt", httx and htt_xba are running as "root" and canna is
running as "bin".

Ctrl-Alt-l  Locks my screen (KDE shortcut)
Ctrl-Alt-s  Does nothing

Mukatsuku....

-jr

On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 01:48, Hideki Hiura wrote:
> > From: James Ryan 
> > I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
> > combinations as well...
> > Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of
>
> Yes, you need canna installed. That's the language engine used.
>
> You may also want to have gimlet(gnome-im-switcher) installed
> and run as applet, so that you can select the languages from
> panel.
>
> Also updating IIIMF packages from Rawhide or
> http://people.redhat.com/yshao/im-sdk/rpms/ would be good.
> You can get language switching listings with the key combination
>     <Alt><Ctrl>l
> or 
>     <Alt><Ctrl>s
> > required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.
>
> iiimf-le-canna is the interface module for canna.
> > /usr/sbin/htt
> > htt_server -nodaemon
>
> For gtk+ applications, this is fine, because it serves directly to gtk+.
>  (htt is a watchdog for htt_server)
>
> For other XIM applications, you need httx and htt_xbe.(htt_xbe works
> as if XIM server, httx is a watchdog for htt_xbe)
> > I remember seeing a post about something called httx...does that need to
> > be running and how do I run it?
>
> The code to run httx should be already there in default, in
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/xinput which refers the environment variable
> $XIM.
>
> I guess it is just because of canna package is missing?
> > > > My .bash_profile contains:
> > > > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > > > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
>
> This should be just
>      export XMODIFIERS="@im=htt"
>
> but Jens said,
> > > Just putting
> > >    XIM=htt
> > > in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> > > in your X session.
> > > You can do this also with the command
> > >    $ im-switch -m iiimf
>
> should be fine.
>
> --
> hiura@{freestandards.org,OpenI18N.org,li18nux.org,unicode.org,sun.com} 
> Chair, OpenI18N.org/The Free Standards Group          http://www.OpenI18N.org
> Architect/Sr. Staff Engineer, Sun Microsystems, Inc, USA   eFAX: 509-693-8356
> --
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[joseph speigle]

have you tried CTRL-space
which works on me switching between korean and english.

On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 06:02:26PM +0000, morpheus wrote:
> Thanks, I installed canna and that didn't help either...  As for gimlet,
> I'm running KDE, so I assume I can't use gimlet.
> I'm using the latest packages, too.  I have removed and re-installed
> them for good measure.
> Once again, I have the following processes running:
> /usr/sbin/htt
> htt
> htt_server -nodaemon
> httx
> htt_xbe
> /usr/sbin/cannaserver -syslog -u bin
>
> Should these be run as any particular user?  htt and htt_server are
> running as "htt", httx and htt_xba are running as "root" and canna is
> running as "bin".
>
> Ctrl-Alt-l  Locks my screen (KDE shortcut)
> Ctrl-Alt-s  Does nothing
>
> Mukatsuku....
>
> -jr
>
> On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 01:48, Hideki Hiura wrote:
> > > From: James Ryan 
> > > I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
> > > combinations as well...
> > > Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of
> >
> > Yes, you need canna installed. That's the language engine used.
> >
> > You may also want to have gimlet(gnome-im-switcher) installed
> > and run as applet, so that you can select the languages from
> > panel.
> >
> > Also updating IIIMF packages from Rawhide or
> > http://people.redhat.com/yshao/im-sdk/rpms/ would be good.
> > You can get language switching listings with the key combination
> >     <Alt><Ctrl>l
> > or 
> >     <Alt><Ctrl>s
> > > required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.
> >
> > iiimf-le-canna is the interface module for canna.
> > > /usr/sbin/htt
> > > htt_server -nodaemon
> >
> > For gtk+ applications, this is fine, because it serves directly to gtk+.
> >  (htt is a watchdog for htt_server)
> >
> > For other XIM applications, you need httx and htt_xbe.(htt_xbe works
> > as if XIM server, httx is a watchdog for htt_xbe)
> > > I remember seeing a post about something called httx...does that need to
> > > be running and how do I run it?
> >
> > The code to run httx should be already there in default, in
> > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/xinput which refers the environment variable
> > $XIM.
> >
> > I guess it is just because of canna package is missing?
> > > > > My .bash_profile contains:
> > > > > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > > > > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
> >
> > This should be just
> >      export XMODIFIERS="@im=htt"
> >
> > but Jens said,
> > > > Just putting
> > > >    XIM=htt
> > > > in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> > > > in your X session.
> > > > You can do this also with the command
> > > >    $ im-switch -m iiimf
> >
> > should be fine.
> >
> > --
> > hiura@{freestandards.org,OpenI18N.org,li18nux.org,unicode.org,sun.com} 
> > Chair, OpenI18N.org/The Free Standards Group          http://www.OpenI18N.org
> > Architect/Sr. Staff Engineer, Sun Microsystems, Inc, USA   eFAX: 509-693-8356
> > --
> > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list
>
> --
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[joseph speigle]

I meant shift-space
On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 04:23:38PM -0500, joseph speigle wrote:
> have you tried CTRL-space
> which works on me switching between korean and english.
>
> On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 06:02:26PM +0000, morpheus wrote:
> > Thanks, I installed canna and that didn't help either...  As for gimlet,
> > I'm running KDE, so I assume I can't use gimlet.
> > I'm using the latest packages, too.  I have removed and re-installed
> > them for good measure.
> > Once again, I have the following processes running:
> > /usr/sbin/htt
> > htt
> > htt_server -nodaemon
> > httx
> > htt_xbe
> > /usr/sbin/cannaserver -syslog -u bin
> >
> > Should these be run as any particular user?  htt and htt_server are
> > running as "htt", httx and htt_xba are running as "root" and canna is
> > running as "bin".
> >
> > Ctrl-Alt-l  Locks my screen (KDE shortcut)
> > Ctrl-Alt-s  Does nothing
> >
> > Mukatsuku....
> >
> > -jr
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 01:48, Hideki Hiura wrote:
> > > > From: James Ryan 
> > > > I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
> > > > combinations as well...
> > > > Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of
> > >
> > > Yes, you need canna installed. That's the language engine used.
> > >
> > > You may also want to have gimlet(gnome-im-switcher) installed
> > > and run as applet, so that you can select the languages from
> > > panel.
> > >
> > > Also updating IIIMF packages from Rawhide or
> > > http://people.redhat.com/yshao/im-sdk/rpms/ would be good.
> > > You can get language switching listings with the key combination
> > >     <Alt><Ctrl>l
> > > or 
> > >     <Alt><Ctrl>s
> > > > required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.
> > >
> > > iiimf-le-canna is the interface module for canna.
> > > > /usr/sbin/htt
> > > > htt_server -nodaemon
> > >
> > > For gtk+ applications, this is fine, because it serves directly to gtk+.
> > >  (htt is a watchdog for htt_server)
> > >
> > > For other XIM applications, you need httx and htt_xbe.(htt_xbe works
> > > as if XIM server, httx is a watchdog for htt_xbe)
> > > > I remember seeing a post about something called httx...does that need to
> > > > be running and how do I run it?
> > >
> > > The code to run httx should be already there in default, in
> > > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/xinput which refers the environment variable
> > > $XIM.
> > >
> > > I guess it is just because of canna package is missing?
> > > > > > My .bash_profile contains:
> > > > > > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > > > > > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
> > >
> > > This should be just
> > >      export XMODIFIERS="@im=htt"
> > >
> > > but Jens said,
> > > > > Just putting
> > > > >    XIM=htt
> > > > > in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> > > > > in your X session.
> > > > > You can do this also with the command
> > > > >    $ im-switch -m iiimf
> > >
> > > should be fine.
> > >
> > > --
> > > hiura@{freestandards.org,OpenI18N.org,li18nux.org,unicode.org,sun.com} 
> > > Chair, OpenI18N.org/The Free Standards Group          http://www.OpenI18N.org
> > > Architect/Sr. Staff Engineer, Sun Microsystems, Inc, USA   eFAX: 509-693-8356
> > > --
> > > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list
> >
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>
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[morpheus]

Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...

On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 21:42, joseph speigle wrote:
> I meant shift-space
> On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 04:23:38PM -0500, joseph speigle wrote:
> > have you tried CTRL-space
> > which works on me switching between korean and english.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 06:02:26PM +0000, morpheus wrote:
> > > Thanks, I installed canna and that didn't help either...  As for gimlet,
> > > I'm running KDE, so I assume I can't use gimlet.
> > > I'm using the latest packages, too.  I have removed and re-installed
> > > them for good measure.
> > > Once again, I have the following processes running:
> > > /usr/sbin/htt
> > > htt
> > > htt_server -nodaemon
> > > httx
> > > htt_xbe
> > > /usr/sbin/cannaserver -syslog -u bin
> > >
> > > Should these be run as any particular user?  htt and htt_server are
> > > running as "htt", httx and htt_xba are running as "root" and canna is
> > > running as "bin".
> > >
> > > Ctrl-Alt-l  Locks my screen (KDE shortcut)
> > > Ctrl-Alt-s  Does nothing
> > >
> > > Mukatsuku....
> > >
> > > -jr
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 01:48, Hideki Hiura wrote:
> > > > > From: James Ryan 
> > > > > I press CTRL-SPACE nothing happens.  I've tried a lot of other key
> > > > > combinations as well...
> > > > > Should canna also be installed and running?  It's not on the list of
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you need canna installed. That's the language engine used.
> > > >
> > > > You may also want to have gimlet(gnome-im-switcher) installed
> > > > and run as applet, so that you can select the languages from
> > > > panel.
> > > >
> > > > Also updating IIIMF packages from Rawhide or
> > > > http://people.redhat.com/yshao/im-sdk/rpms/ would be good.
> > > > You can get language switching listings with the key combination
> > > >     <Alt><Ctrl>l
> > > > or 
> > > >     <Alt><Ctrl>s
> > > > > required applications.  I do have iiimf-le-canna installed.
> > > >
> > > > iiimf-le-canna is the interface module for canna.
> > > > > /usr/sbin/htt
> > > > > htt_server -nodaemon
> > > >
> > > > For gtk+ applications, this is fine, because it serves directly to gtk+.
> > > >  (htt is a watchdog for htt_server)
> > > >
> > > > For other XIM applications, you need httx and htt_xbe.(htt_xbe works
> > > > as if XIM server, httx is a watchdog for htt_xbe)
> > > > > I remember seeing a post about something called httx...does that need to
> > > > > be running and how do I run it?
> > > >
> > > > The code to run httx should be already there in default, in
> > > > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/xinput which refers the environment variable
> > > > $XIM.
> > > >
> > > > I guess it is just because of canna package is missing?
> > > > > > > My .bash_profile contains:
> > > > > > > export XMODIFIERS="@im=iiim"
> > > > > > > export XMODIFIERS=im=htt
> > > >
> > > > This should be just
> > > >      export XMODIFIERS="@im=htt"
> > > >
> > > > but Jens said,
> > > > > > Just putting
> > > > > >    XIM=htt
> > > > > > in "~/.i18n" should be all you need to have iiimf setup
> > > > > > in your X session.
> > > > > > You can do this also with the command
> > > > > >    $ im-switch -m iiimf
> > > >
> > > > should be fine.
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[Akira TAGOH]

> > > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > "morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:

morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...

BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
mails (but you said the latest packages)
Pleas make sure anyway:
- you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
  latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
  it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
  iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
  iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
  iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
  iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
  iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
  iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
  iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
  iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
  iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
  iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
  iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
  iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
  iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
  iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
- sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
  the environment variable again. if you configure it
  correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
  printenv command:
  XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
  GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
- as you indicated, the processes is running looks
  good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
  htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
  cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
  manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
  # service IIim stop
  # killall httx
  # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
  (you won't see any output here)
  # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d

and on the another terminal:
  # /usr/bin/httx
  and then, run the KDE applications from the another
  terminal and press ctrl+space.

what do you see on each terminals?

Regards,
--
Akira TAGOH

[morpheus]

Okay, I installed the latest packages, which seem to be 11.4-60 now, and
everything seems to be working.  Thanks for the help.
-James

On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 02:01, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > > "morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:
>
> morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
> morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...
>
> BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
> mails (but you said the latest packages)
> Pleas make sure anyway:
>
> you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
> latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
> it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
> iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
> iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
> iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
> iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
> iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
> iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
>
> sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
> the environment variable again. if you configure it
> correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
> printenv command:
> XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
> GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
>
> as you indicated, the processes is running looks
> good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
> htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
> cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
> manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
> # service IIim stop
> # killall httx
> # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
> (you won't see any output here)
> # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
>
> and on the another terminal:
> # /usr/bin/httx
> and then, run the KDE applications from the another
> terminal and press ctrl+space.
>
> what do you see on each terminals?
> Regards,
> Akira TAGOH
>
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Fedora-i18n-list] Re: Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[Daniel Yek]

> # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d

I'm glad to know the above command and the debug switch. Thanks.

James, I apologize to intercept the thread on Japanese input. Below is
Chinese input, but the problem is not a lot different - I think.

I have IIIMF and the GNOME desktop; I enjoy the ability to read Chinese
characters in my emails and see them in many applications. That is
good...Super.

However, I am not thrilled with IIIMF yet, because I cannot use it
effectively. With the debug message, I can identify several occasions
where the conversion mode is toggled off:

Toggle client conversion mode to false.

When using gedit, every time I type a space character, the conversion
mode turns off by itself. CTRL-Space also turned off the conversion
mode. There might be more situation where the conversion mode is turned
off.

Once the conversion mode is turned off, it cannot be turned on
conveniently - CTRL-Space definitely doesn't work. Gimlet is as buggy as
it can be at this point. When the space character turned conversion mode
off, it reduced to a small button without a label on it. Clicking on it,
I found that "English" is checked.

The only way I can turn the conversion mode on is by clicking on Gimlet
and choose "Simplified Chinese". Right-click in gedit and from the
context menu choose Input Methods/Internet-Intranet Input Method doesn't
turn the conversion mode on - Gimlet displays a empty label.

Switching between application windows, Gimlet may sometimes display 英文,
that is "English" in Chinese characters. Clicking on Gimlet shows that
Simplified Chinese in checked, not "English" as displayed. The
conversion mode was not turned on - there is no way to turn it on until
you go through the clicking process to check Simplified Chinese again.

Too often conversion mode is turned off unintentionally and one needs to
start all over again to turn it on. That discounted my experience with
IIIMF a lot.

There are several other problems: 
I couldn't switch between Simplified Chinese input method anymore. I did
it once or twice with CTRL-ALT-4 awkwardly, when FC2 was first released,
but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
I gave up adding Traditional Chinese to the list - Gimlet crashed and
randomly changed its menu one or two times too often. I added
Traditional Chinese, a crash (I forgot if I killed it because it simply
wasn't behaving) will take it out.
I have no idea what ASCII mode is. Why it just suddenly appeared in the
menu and I think I lost "English", for a while. It didn't work to input
ASCII too.

Although, I provided a list of problems, I can see that a lot of the
mechanism are already there. A few polishing in UI components might
solve most of the problems I am experiencing.

Thank you all for advancing the International support on Linux!

Pls.: Is there a guide on this version of Chinese input methods? I'm not
very good at any Chinese input method, but I learned a little of two
input methods before. I just need to learn it/them more comprehensively.
Even a database of what keystrokes yield what character(s) will be a
good reference for me. Thanks.

On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 19:01, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > > "morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:
>
> morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
> morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...
>
> BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
> mails (but you said the latest packages)
> Pleas make sure anyway:
>
> you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
> latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
> it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
> iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
> iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
> iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
> iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
> iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
> iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
>
> sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
> the environment variable again. if you configure it
> correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
> printenv command:
> XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
> GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
>
> as you indicated, the processes is running looks
> good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
> htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
> cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
> manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
> # service IIim stop
> # killall httx
> # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
> (you won't see any output here)
> # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
>
> and on the another terminal:
> # /usr/bin/httx
> and then, run the KDE applications from the another
> terminal and press ctrl+space.
>
> what do you see on each terminals?
> Regards,
> Akira TAGOH
>
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Fedora-i18n-list] Re: Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[morpheus]

Daniel,
Sorry I can't answer your questions on the Chinese side since I don't
use the Chinese input, only 日本語.
But I have had similar problems to you with the mode toggling off.  What
happens to me is usually if I go back and highlight existing text
intending to type/replace it, when I press space for the conversion it
only gives me romaji (roman character) options, instead of kana and
kanji options.  If I save, close the application and reload, it works
fine.
Has anyone else experienced this?
-jr

On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 03:41, Daniel S.K. Yek 叶盛刚 wrote:
> > # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
>
> I'm glad to know the above command and the debug switch. Thanks.
>
> James, I apologize to intercept the thread on Japanese input. Below is
> Chinese input, but the problem is not a lot different - I think.
>
> I have IIIMF and the GNOME desktop; I enjoy the ability to read
> Chinese characters in my emails and see them in many applications.
> That is good...Super.
>
> However, I am not thrilled with IIIMF yet, because I cannot use it
> effectively. With the debug message, I can identify several occasions
> where the conversion mode is toggled off: 
>         Toggle client conversion mode to false.
>
> When using gedit, every time I type a space character, the conversion
> mode turns off by itself. CTRL-Space also turned off the conversion
> mode. There might be more situation where the conversion mode is
> turned off.
>
> Once the conversion mode is turned off, it cannot be turned on
> conveniently - CTRL-Space definitely doesn't work. Gimlet is as buggy
> as it can be at this point. When the space character turned conversion
> mode off, it reduced to a small button without a label on it. Clicking
> on it, I found that "English" is checked.
>
> The only way I can turn the conversion mode on is by clicking on
> Gimlet and choose "Simplified Chinese". Right-click in gedit and from
> the context menu choose Input Methods/Internet-Intranet Input Method
> doesn't turn the conversion mode on - Gimlet displays a empty label.
>
> Switching between application windows, Gimlet may sometimes display
> 英文, that is "English" in Chinese characters. Clicking on Gimlet shows
> that Simplified Chinese in checked, not "English" as displayed. The
> conversion mode was not turned on - there is no way to turn it on
> until you go through the clicking process to check Simplified Chinese
> again.
>
> Too often conversion mode is turned off unintentionally and one needs
> to start all over again to turn it on. That discounted my experience
> with IIIMF a lot.
>
> There are several other problems: 
> I couldn't switch between Simplified Chinese input method anymore. I
> did it once or twice with CTRL-ALT-4 awkwardly, when FC2 was first
> released, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
> I gave up adding Traditional Chinese to the list - Gimlet crashed and
> randomly changed its menu one or two times too often. I added
> Traditional Chinese, a crash (I forgot if I killed it because it
> simply wasn't behaving) will take it out.
> I have no idea what ASCII mode is. Why it just suddenly appeared in
> the menu and I think I lost "English", for a while. It didn't work to
> input ASCII too.
>
> Although, I provided a list of problems, I can see that a lot of the
> mechanism are already there. A few polishing in UI components might
> solve most of the problems I am experiencing.
>
> Thank you all for advancing the International support on Linux!
>
> Pls.: Is there a guide on this version of Chinese input methods? I'm
> not very good at any Chinese input method, but I learned a little of
> two input methods before. I just need to learn it/them more
> comprehensively. Even a database of what keystrokes yield what
> character(s) will be a good reference for me. Thanks.
>
> On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 19:01, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > > > "morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:
> >
> > morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
> > morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...
> >
> > BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
> > mails (but you said the latest packages)
> > Pleas make sure anyway:
> >
> > you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
> > latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
> > it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
> > iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
> > iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
> > iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
> > iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
> > iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
> > iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
> >
> > sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
> > the environment variable again. if you configure it
> > correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
> > printenv command:
> > XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
> > GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> >
> > as you indicated, the processes is running looks
> > good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
> > htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
> > cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
> > manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
> > # service IIim stop
> > # killall httx
> > # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
> > (you won't see any output here)
> > # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> >
> > and on the another terminal:
> > # /usr/bin/httx
> > and then, run the KDE applications from the another
> > terminal and press ctrl+space.
> >
> > what do you see on each terminals?
> > Regards,
> > Akira TAGOH
> >
> > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list
>
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[Fedora-i18n-list] Re: Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[Colin Lau]

Hello,

I'm also having some issues with getting Traditional Chinese input mode 
to toggle. I started having this problem since I upgraded to the latest 
IIim packages. Before that, I could easily turn on/off IME in Mozilla or 
LICQ using Ctrl-Spacebar. Now I have to use the mouse to select the 
language mode in the Gnome applet (Gnome輸入法切換器 1.0.1) to switch 
between Chinese and English input in Mozilla. At this moment I am unable 
to type Chinese in LICQ. Is there any special configuration I need to 
perform to make it work as before?

Thanks,
Colin

morpheus wrote:
> Daniel,
> Sorry I can't answer your questions on the Chinese side since I don't
> use the Chinese input, only 日本語.
> But I have had similar problems to you with the mode toggling off.  What
> happens to me is usually if I go back and highlight existing text
> intending to type/replace it, when I press space for the conversion it
> only gives me romaji (roman character) options, instead of kana and
> kanji options.  If I save, close the application and reload, it works
> fine.
> Has anyone else experienced this?
> -jr
>
> On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 03:41, Daniel S.K. Yek 叶盛刚 wrote:
> > > # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> >
> > I'm glad to know the above command and the debug switch. Thanks.
> >
> > James, I apologize to intercept the thread on Japanese input. Below is
> > Chinese input, but the problem is not a lot different - I think.
> >
> > I have IIIMF and the GNOME desktop; I enjoy the ability to read
> > Chinese characters in my emails and see them in many applications.
> > That is good...Super.
> >
> > However, I am not thrilled with IIIMF yet, because I cannot use it
> > effectively. With the debug message, I can identify several occasions
> > where the conversion mode is toggled off: 
> >        Toggle client conversion mode to false.
> >
> > When using gedit, every time I type a space character, the conversion
> > mode turns off by itself. CTRL-Space also turned off the conversion
> > mode. There might be more situation where the conversion mode is
> > turned off.
> >
> > Once the conversion mode is turned off, it cannot be turned on
> > conveniently - CTRL-Space definitely doesn't work. Gimlet is as buggy
> > as it can be at this point. When the space character turned conversion
> > mode off, it reduced to a small button without a label on it. Clicking
> > on it, I found that "English" is checked.
> >
> > The only way I can turn the conversion mode on is by clicking on
> > Gimlet and choose "Simplified Chinese". Right-click in gedit and from
> > the context menu choose Input Methods/Internet-Intranet Input Method
> > doesn't turn the conversion mode on - Gimlet displays a empty label.
> >
> > Switching between application windows, Gimlet may sometimes display
> > 英文, that is "English" in Chinese characters. Clicking on Gimlet shows
> > that Simplified Chinese in checked, not "English" as displayed. The
> > conversion mode was not turned on - there is no way to turn it on
> > until you go through the clicking process to check Simplified Chinese
> > again.
> >
> > Too often conversion mode is turned off unintentionally and one needs
> > to start all over again to turn it on. That discounted my experience
> > with IIIMF a lot.
> >
> > There are several other problems: 
> > I couldn't switch between Simplified Chinese input method anymore. I
> > did it once or twice with CTRL-ALT-4 awkwardly, when FC2 was first
> > released, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
> > I gave up adding Traditional Chinese to the list - Gimlet crashed and
> > randomly changed its menu one or two times too often. I added
> > Traditional Chinese, a crash (I forgot if I killed it because it
> > simply wasn't behaving) will take it out.
> > I have no idea what ASCII mode is. Why it just suddenly appeared in
> > the menu and I think I lost "English", for a while. It didn't work to
> > input ASCII too.
> >
> > Although, I provided a list of problems, I can see that a lot of the
> > mechanism are already there. A few polishing in UI components might
> > solve most of the problems I am experiencing.
> >
> > Thank you all for advancing the International support on Linux!
> >
> > Pls.: Is there a guide on this version of Chinese input methods? I'm
> > not very good at any Chinese input method, but I learned a little of
> > two input methods before. I just need to learn it/them more
> > comprehensively. Even a database of what keystrokes yield what
> > character(s) will be a good reference for me. Thanks.
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 19:01, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > >>On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > > >>"morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:
> > > > > > >>                
> > > > > > >>
> > >
> > > morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
> > > morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...
> > >
> > > BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
> > > mails (but you said the latest packages)
> > > Pleas make sure anyway:
> > > you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
> > >
> > > latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
> > >  it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
> > >  iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > >  iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > >  iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > >  iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > >  iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > >  iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
> > >  iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
> > >  iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
> > >  iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
> > >  iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
> > >  iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > >  iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > >  iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > >  iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
> > > sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
> > >
> > > the environment variable again. if you configure it
> > >  correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
> > >  printenv command:
> > >  XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
> > >  GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> > > as you indicated, the processes is running looks
> > >
> > > good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
> > >  htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
> > >  cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
> > >  manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
> > >  # service IIim stop
> > >  # killall httx
> > >  # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
> > >  (you won't see any output here)
> > >  # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> > >
> > > and on the another terminal:
> > >  # /usr/bin/httx
> > >  and then, run the KDE applications from the another
> > >  terminal and press ctrl+space.
> > >
> > > what do you see on each terminals?
> > > Regards,
> > > Akira TAGOH
> > >
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[Fedora-i18n-list] Re: Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[Leon Ho]

What is your version number of IIIMF? iiimf*-46.svn* may works with you
better right now.

For licq, make sure 'htt_xbe' process is running.

Regards,
Leon

On 五, 2004-07-02 at 14:36, Colin Lau wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm also having some issues with getting Traditional Chinese input mode 
> to toggle. I started having this problem since I upgraded to the latest 
> IIim packages. Before that, I could easily turn on/off IME in Mozilla or 
> LICQ using Ctrl-Spacebar. Now I have to use the mouse to select the 
> language mode in the Gnome applet (Gnome輸入法切換器 1.0.1) to switch 
> between Chinese and English input in Mozilla. At this moment I am unable 
> to type Chinese in LICQ. Is there any special configuration I need to 
> perform to make it work as before?
>
> Thanks,
> Colin
>
> morpheus wrote:
> > Daniel,
> > Sorry I can't answer your questions on the Chinese side since I don't
> > use the Chinese input, only 日本語.
> > But I have had similar problems to you with the mode toggling off.  What
> > happens to me is usually if I go back and highlight existing text
> > intending to type/replace it, when I press space for the conversion it
> > only gives me romaji (roman character) options, instead of kana and
> > kanji options.  If I save, close the application and reload, it works
> > fine.
> > Has anyone else experienced this?
> > -jr
> >
> > On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 03:41, Daniel S.K. Yek 叶盛刚 wrote:
> > > > # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> > >
> > > I'm glad to know the above command and the debug switch. Thanks.
> > >
> > > James, I apologize to intercept the thread on Japanese input. Below is
> > > Chinese input, but the problem is not a lot different - I think.
> > >
> > > I have IIIMF and the GNOME desktop; I enjoy the ability to read
> > > Chinese characters in my emails and see them in many applications.
> > > That is good...Super.
> > >
> > > However, I am not thrilled with IIIMF yet, because I cannot use it
> > > effectively. With the debug message, I can identify several occasions
> > > where the conversion mode is toggled off: 
> > >        Toggle client conversion mode to false.
> > >
> > > When using gedit, every time I type a space character, the conversion
> > > mode turns off by itself. CTRL-Space also turned off the conversion
> > > mode. There might be more situation where the conversion mode is
> > > turned off.
> > >
> > > Once the conversion mode is turned off, it cannot be turned on
> > > conveniently - CTRL-Space definitely doesn't work. Gimlet is as buggy
> > > as it can be at this point. When the space character turned conversion
> > > mode off, it reduced to a small button without a label on it. Clicking
> > > on it, I found that "English" is checked.
> > >
> > > The only way I can turn the conversion mode on is by clicking on
> > > Gimlet and choose "Simplified Chinese". Right-click in gedit and from
> > > the context menu choose Input Methods/Internet-Intranet Input Method
> > > doesn't turn the conversion mode on - Gimlet displays a empty label.
> > >
> > > Switching between application windows, Gimlet may sometimes display
> > > 英文, that is "English" in Chinese characters. Clicking on Gimlet shows
> > > that Simplified Chinese in checked, not "English" as displayed. The
> > > conversion mode was not turned on - there is no way to turn it on
> > > until you go through the clicking process to check Simplified Chinese
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Too often conversion mode is turned off unintentionally and one needs
> > > to start all over again to turn it on. That discounted my experience
> > > with IIIMF a lot.
> > >
> > > There are several other problems: 
> > > I couldn't switch between Simplified Chinese input method anymore. I
> > > did it once or twice with CTRL-ALT-4 awkwardly, when FC2 was first
> > > released, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
> > > I gave up adding Traditional Chinese to the list - Gimlet crashed and
> > > randomly changed its menu one or two times too often. I added
> > > Traditional Chinese, a crash (I forgot if I killed it because it
> > > simply wasn't behaving) will take it out.
> > > I have no idea what ASCII mode is. Why it just suddenly appeared in
> > > the menu and I think I lost "English", for a while. It didn't work to
> > > input ASCII too.
> > >
> > > Although, I provided a list of problems, I can see that a lot of the
> > > mechanism are already there. A few polishing in UI components might
> > > solve most of the problems I am experiencing.
> > >
> > > Thank you all for advancing the International support on Linux!
> > >
> > > Pls.: Is there a guide on this version of Chinese input methods? I'm
> > > not very good at any Chinese input method, but I learned a little of
> > > two input methods before. I just need to learn it/them more
> > > comprehensively. Even a database of what keystrokes yield what
> > > character(s) will be a good reference for me. Thanks.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 19:01, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > >>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > > >>>"morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>                
> > > > > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
> > > > morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...
> > > >
> > > > BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
> > > > mails (but you said the latest packages)
> > > > Pleas make sure anyway:
> > > > you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
> > > >
> > > > latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
> > > >  it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
> > > >  iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > >  iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > >  iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > >  iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > >  iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > >  iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
> > > >  iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
> > > >  iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
> > > >  iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
> > > >  iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
> > > >  iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > >  iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > >  iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > >  iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
> > > > sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
> > > >
> > > > the environment variable again. if you configure it
> > > >  correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
> > > >  printenv command:
> > > >  XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
> > > >  GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> > > > as you indicated, the processes is running looks
> > > >
> > > > good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
> > > >  htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
> > > >  cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
> > > >  manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
> > > >  # service IIim stop
> > > >  # killall httx
> > > >  # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
> > > >  (you won't see any output here)
> > > >  # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> > > >
> > > > and on the another terminal:
> > > >  # /usr/bin/httx
> > > >  and then, run the KDE applications from the another
> > > >  terminal and press ctrl+space.
> > > >
> > > > what do you see on each terminals?
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Akira TAGOH
> > > >
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[Fedora-i18n-list] Re: Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[Colin Lau]

Hi Leon,

Thanks for your response. A run of "rpm -qa | grep iim" gave me:
iiimf-le-inpinyin-0.3-2
iiimf-le-xcin-0.1.5-1
iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587
iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587

FYI, Traditional Chinese input worked fine for me in both Mozilla and 
licq with version iiimf-*-11.4-43. I think that was before the IM 
switcher applet was installed.

I also ran "ps -ef | grep xbe" and confirmed that the htt_xbe process is 
running. The Chinese mode can be toggled in licq using Ctrl-Space, but 
the IME mode seems to be independent from the gnome-im-switcher-applet 
input mode (i.e. the applet still shows 英數 although licq is no longer 
accepting my input as English characters). Instead, a white box popped 
up whenever I try to input something in Chinese mode.

Any ideas are welcome.

Thank you,
Colin

Leon Ho wrote:
> What is your version number of IIIMF? iiimf*-46.svn* may works with you
> better right now.
>
> For licq, make sure 'htt_xbe' process is running.
>
> Regards,
> Leon
>
> On 五, 2004-07-02 at 14:36, Colin Lau wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm also having some issues with getting Traditional Chinese input mode 
> > to toggle. I started having this problem since I upgraded to the latest 
> > IIim packages. Before that, I could easily turn on/off IME in Mozilla or 
> > LICQ using Ctrl-Spacebar. Now I have to use the mouse to select the 
> > language mode in the Gnome applet (Gnome輸入法切換器 1.0.1) to switch 
> > between Chinese and English input in Mozilla. At this moment I am unable 
> > to type Chinese in LICQ. Is there any special configuration I need to 
> > perform to make it work as before?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Colin
> >
> > morpheus wrote:
> > > Daniel,
> > > Sorry I can't answer your questions on the Chinese side since I don't
> > > use the Chinese input, only 日本語.
> > > But I have had similar problems to you with the mode toggling off.  What
> > > happens to me is usually if I go back and highlight existing text
> > > intending to type/replace it, when I press space for the conversion it
> > > only gives me romaji (roman character) options, instead of kana and
> > > kanji options.  If I save, close the application and reload, it works
> > > fine.
> > > Has anyone else experienced this?
> > > -jr
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 03:41, Daniel S.K. Yek 叶盛刚 wrote:
> > > > > # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> > > >
> > > > I'm glad to know the above command and the debug switch. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > James, I apologize to intercept the thread on Japanese input. Below is
> > > > Chinese input, but the problem is not a lot different - I think.
> > > >
> > > > I have IIIMF and the GNOME desktop; I enjoy the ability to read
> > > > Chinese characters in my emails and see them in many applications.
> > > > That is good...Super.
> > > >
> > > > However, I am not thrilled with IIIMF yet, because I cannot use it
> > > > effectively. With the debug message, I can identify several occasions
> > > > where the conversion mode is toggled off: 
> > > >       Toggle client conversion mode to false.
> > > >
> > > > When using gedit, every time I type a space character, the conversion
> > > > mode turns off by itself. CTRL-Space also turned off the conversion
> > > > mode. There might be more situation where the conversion mode is
> > > > turned off.
> > > >
> > > > Once the conversion mode is turned off, it cannot be turned on
> > > > conveniently - CTRL-Space definitely doesn't work. Gimlet is as buggy
> > > > as it can be at this point. When the space character turned conversion
> > > > mode off, it reduced to a small button without a label on it. Clicking
> > > > on it, I found that "English" is checked.
> > > >
> > > > The only way I can turn the conversion mode on is by clicking on
> > > > Gimlet and choose "Simplified Chinese". Right-click in gedit and from
> > > > the context menu choose Input Methods/Internet-Intranet Input Method
> > > > doesn't turn the conversion mode on - Gimlet displays a empty label.
> > > >
> > > > Switching between application windows, Gimlet may sometimes display
> > > > 英文, that is "English" in Chinese characters. Clicking on Gimlet shows
> > > > that Simplified Chinese in checked, not "English" as displayed. The
> > > > conversion mode was not turned on - there is no way to turn it on
> > > > until you go through the clicking process to check Simplified Chinese
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > Too often conversion mode is turned off unintentionally and one needs
> > > > to start all over again to turn it on. That discounted my experience
> > > > with IIIMF a lot.
> > > >
> > > > There are several other problems: 
> > > > I couldn't switch between Simplified Chinese input method anymore. I
> > > > did it once or twice with CTRL-ALT-4 awkwardly, when FC2 was first
> > > > released, but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
> > > > I gave up adding Traditional Chinese to the list - Gimlet crashed and
> > > > randomly changed its menu one or two times too often. I added
> > > > Traditional Chinese, a crash (I forgot if I killed it because it
> > > > simply wasn't behaving) will take it out.
> > > > I have no idea what ASCII mode is. Why it just suddenly appeared in
> > > > the menu and I think I lost "English", for a while. It didn't work to
> > > > input ASCII too.
> > > >
> > > > Although, I provided a list of problems, I can see that a lot of the
> > > > mechanism are already there. A few polishing in UI components might
> > > > solve most of the problems I am experiencing.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all for advancing the International support on Linux!
> > > >
> > > > Pls.: Is there a guide on this version of Chinese input methods? I'm
> > > > not very good at any Chinese input method, but I learned a little of
> > > > two input methods before. I just need to learn it/them more
> > > > comprehensively. Even a database of what keystrokes yield what
> > > > character(s) will be a good reference for me. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 19:01, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:38:39 +0000,
> > > > > > >>>>"morpheus" == morpheus  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>               
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>                    
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > morpheus> Yeah, I've tried just about all the key combinations I can think of,
> > > > > morpheus> including CTRL-space, SHIFT-space, ALT-space, etc. etc...
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW I couldn't find which version are you using from your
> > > > > mails (but you said the latest packages)
> > > > > Pleas make sure anyway:
> > > > > you have installed the latest updated im-sdk packages. the
> > > > >
> > > > > latest version is 11.4-46.svn1587. if you have installed
> > > > > it correctly, try rpm -qa | grep iiimf, and you will see:
> > > > > iiimf-client-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > > > iiimf-client-lib-devel--11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > > > iiimf-csconv-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > > > iiimf-docs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > > > iiimf-emacs-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > > > iiimf-gtk-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for gtk2 apps)
> > > > > iiimf-le-canna-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Japanese)
> > > > > iiimf-le-hangul-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Korean)
> > > > > iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for Simplified Chinese, but iiimf-le-inpinyin is recommended)
> > > > > iiimf-le-unit-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for others)
> > > > > iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > > > iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-46.svn1587 (optional)
> > > > > iiimf-server-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires)
> > > > > iiimf-x-11.4-46.svn1587 (requires for X apps)
> > > > > sorry for the reminder, but run your terminal and check
> > > > >
> > > > > the environment variable again. if you configure it
> > > > > correctly, you can find out the below as the result of
> > > > > printenv command:
> > > > > XMODIFIERS=@im=htt
> > > > > GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim
> > > > > as you indicated, the processes is running looks
> > > > >
> > > > > good. however please stop the processes (I meant htt,
> > > > > htt_server, httx and htt_xbe. please keep running
> > > > > cannaserver) first to track this issue down. and run it
> > > > > manually on the terminal instead of. like this:
> > > > > # service IIim stop
> > > > > # killall httx
> > > > > # ps -efw | grep htt | grep -v grep
> > > > > (you won't see any output here)
> > > > > # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
> > > > >
> > > > > and on the another terminal:
> > > > > # /usr/bin/httx
> > > > > and then, run the KDE applications from the another
> > > > > terminal and press ctrl+space.
> > > > >
> > > > > what do you see on each terminals?
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Akira TAGOH
> > > > >
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[Fedora-i18n-list] Re: Japanese input _almost_ working in English FC2 (KDE)

[Akira TAGOH]

Hi,
> > > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:41:48 -0700,
> > > > > "DSKY" == "Daniel S.K. Yek 叶盛刚"  wrote:

DSKY>       # /usr/sbin/htt_server -d
DSKY> I'm glad to know the above command and the debug switch. Thanks.

DSKY> James, I apologize to intercept the thread on Japanese input. Below is Chinese input, but the problem is not a lot
DSKY> different - I think.

DSKY> I have IIIMF and the GNOME desktop; I enjoy the ability to read Chinese characters in my emails and see them in many
DSKY> applications. That is good...Super.

DSKY> However, I am not thrilled with IIIMF yet, because I cannot use it effectively. With the debug message, I can identify
DSKY> several occasions where the conversion mode is toggled off:

DSKY>     Toggle client conversion mode to false.

DSKY> When using gedit, every time I type a space character, the conversion mode turns off by itself. CTRL-Space also turned off
DSKY> the conversion mode. There might be more situation where the conversion mode is turned off.

DSKY> Once the conversion mode is turned off, it cannot be turned on conveniently - CTRL-Space definitely doesn't work. Gimlet is
DSKY> as buggy as it can be at this point. When the space character turned conversion mode off, it reduced to a small button
DSKY> without a label on it. Clicking on it, I found that "English" is checked.

For the empty status issue, Could you try im-sdk packages
for FC2-updates (and iiimf-le-inpinyin which will be
available soon for FC2-updates) ? it's more stable than
-60. -60 is a snapshot version of the upstream. otherwise
you always need to try rawhide packages to solve the unknown
problems ;)
the empty status issue should be fixed in that and the
latest rawhide stuff.

Regards,
--
Akira TAGOH

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[D M]

Hello,

I've been lurking in the background here with the same problem as "morpheus" & 
following along as you folks suggest fixes.  I too almost have Japanese input 
working -- am running KDE with the language set to English, but  would like 
to have Japanese input for the occaisional email and web search...  Anyway, 
I've come closest now with the version 11.4-60 packages.  At least an input 
window appears in the KDE apps...

But, when I installed those RPMS I also installed the Sazanami fonts...  And 
now I don't seem to be able to see anything in Japanese.  I think my truetype 
Japanese fonts may have become corrupted...  They appear as blank squares in 
KDE apps and mozilla actually crashes if I attempt to go to a Japanese 
webpage now!  Any hints on how to figure out what happened would be 
appreciated...  If I pop up xfontsel I can see some of the Japanese x fonts, 
but don't really know how to evaluate what's going on with the truetype 
fonts...

I have tried uninstalling the Sazanami fonts, and re-installing 
ttfonts-ja-1.2-34 without success.  I've also tried reverting back to the 
11.4-46.svn1587 IIim packages, and of course that didn't affect the 
problem...

Thanks!

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[Circuit Man]

On Thursday 01 July 2004 22:18, D M wrote:
> I have tried uninstalling the Sazanami fonts, and re-installing
> ttfonts-ja-1.2-34 without success.  I've also tried reverting back to the
> 11.4-46.svn1587 IIim packages, and of course that didn't affect the
> problem...
>
> Thanks!

OK, somehow uninstalling the original Japanese tt fonts and reinstalling again 
did the trick.  So in the end it appears installing the sazanami fonts broke 
Japanese truetype fonts for me.

So now I can read Japanese again.

I can't type it yet, but will now re-install the 11.4-60 packages by 
themselves like I should have done in the first place & see how that goes...

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[Akira TAGOH]

> > > > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:44:40 -0700,
> > > > > "CM" == Circuit Man  wrote:

CM> On Thursday 01 July 2004 22:18, D M wrote:
> > I have tried uninstalling the Sazanami fonts, and re-installing
> > ttfonts-ja-1.2-34 without success.  I've also tried reverting back to the
> > 11.4-46.svn1587 IIim packages, and of course that didn't affect the
> > problem...
> >
> > Thanks!

CM> OK, somehow uninstalling the original Japanese tt fonts and reinstalling again 
CM> did the trick.  So in the end it appears installing the sazanami fonts broke 
CM> Japanese truetype fonts for me.

CM> So now I can read Japanese again.

CM> I can't type it yet, but will now re-install the 11.4-60 packages by 
CM> themselves like I should have done in the first place & see how that goes...

Thank you for the testing of the sazanami fonts. did you try
re-login after installing the testing ttfonts-ja package?
I'm not sure but I don't figure out how much it affects for
the running process which is using Kochi fonts missing in
the testing package.
Otherwise it means the package has the upgrade issue. I need
to track it down then.

Anyway more feedbacks are welcome :)

Thanks,
--
Akira TAGOH

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[D M]

What I did exactly is install (rpm -Uvi) the package & restart X.  When I 
logged in again I began having font problems.  English text was fine, but
anything Japanese in KDE apps was replaced by a blank square, when I tried
to use mozilla (1.6 English with the Japanese language pack installed) it
would work fine, but crashed when encountering anything Japanese (like 
www.yahoo.co.jp).  I finally uninstalled the rpm's and re-installed 
ttfonts-ja from the Fedora DVD.  Now things are back to normal...

On Friday 02 July 2004 01:15, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:44:40 -0700,
> > > > > > "CM" == Circuit Man  wrote:
>
> CM> On Thursday 01 July 2004 22:18, D M wrote:
> > > I have tried uninstalling the Sazanami fonts, and re-installing
> > > ttfonts-ja-1.2-34 without success.  I've also tried reverting back to
> > > the 11.4-46.svn1587 IIim packages, and of course that didn't affect the
> > > problem...
> > >
> > > Thanks!
>
> CM> OK, somehow uninstalling the original Japanese tt fonts and
> reinstalling again CM> did the trick.  So in the end it appears installing
> the sazanami fonts broke CM> Japanese truetype fonts for me.
>
> CM> So now I can read Japanese again.
>
> CM> I can't type it yet, but will now re-install the 11.4-60 packages by
> CM> themselves like I should have done in the first place & see how that
> goes...
>
> Thank you for the testing of the sazanami fonts. did you try
> re-login after installing the testing ttfonts-ja package?
> I'm not sure but I don't figure out how much it affects for
> the running process which is using Kochi fonts missing in
> the testing package.
> Otherwise it means the package has the upgrade issue. I need
> to track it down then.
>
> Anyway more feedbacks are welcome :)
> Thanks,
> Akira TAGOH
>
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

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[D M]

OK, I have the 11-4-60 packages installed, am trying to do Japanese input in
English KDE, Fedora core 2:
> rpm -qa |fgrep iiim

iiimf-client-lib-devel-11.4-60
iiimf-csconv-11.4-60
iiimf-le-canna-11.4-60
iiimf-client-lib-11.4-60
iiimf-x-11.4-60
iiimf-docs-11.4-60
iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-60
iiimf-gtk-11.4-60
iiimf-emacs-11.4-60
iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-60
iiimf-server-11.4-60

My .i18n contains the following:

XIM=htt

processes running:

htt       2267  0.0  0.0  2472  324 ?        S    23:25   0:00 /usr/sbin/htt
htt       2268  0.0  0.5 26000 2992 ?        S    23:25   0:00 htt_server 
-nodaemon
dmason    3135  0.0  0.2  5816 1348 ?        S    23:33   0:00 httx
dmason    3137  0.0  0.7 21020 3984 ?        S    23:33   0:00 htt_xbe

Now if I hit ctrl-space in a KDE window, I get a small rectangle on its lower 
left with only a pair of square brackets...  If I do so in kmail, which I'm 
using now...

はい。これです。

I can type the above, but cannot see any text in the input window.  Which 
makes selecting kanji sort of a guessing game...  I can only see the Japanese 
text after I hit return.  The windows appear to behave as they should, but I 
just don't see any text until I commit the character.

If I do the same in Mozilla, I get the little rectangle with an [あ], and am
able to enter Japanese as usual, able to select kanji, everything works fine.

If I create a brand new new account, start it in Japanese mode, input works 
perfectly with KDE apps, and I can see the Japanese characters in the input
window.  If I log out, then log back in in English, no input window comes up.
If I add the XIM=htt line in .i18n, log out, log back in then I get the same
behavior as my accout -- the input window pops up but I can't see anything
inside the brackets & no kanji.

Everything seems to be mechanically working, but for some reason the character 
window only picks up the font if I am entering text in mozilla.  I don't think 
this is a feature with my misadventure with the Sazanami fonts, since I had
this same behavior before I tried upgrading.

Anyway, let me know if there's more tests I can try or switches that may not 
have been switched, etc.

Thanks!

--D

On Thursday 01 July 2004 22:18, D M wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've been lurking in the background here with the same problem as
> "morpheus" & following along as you folks suggest fixes.  I too almost have
> Japanese input working -- am running KDE with the language set to English,
> but  would like to have Japanese input for the occaisional email and web
> search...  Anyway, I've come closest now with the version 11.4-60 packages.
>  At least an input window appears in the KDE apps...
>
> But, when I installed those RPMS I also installed the Sazanami fonts... 
> And now I don't seem to be able to see anything in Japanese.  I think my
> truetype Japanese fonts may have become corrupted...  They appear as blank
> squares in KDE apps and mozilla actually crashes if I attempt to go to a
> Japanese webpage now!  Any hints on how to figure out what happened would
> be appreciated...  If I pop up xfontsel I can see some of the Japanese x
> fonts, but don't really know how to evaluate what's going on with the
> truetype fonts...
>
> I have tried uninstalling the Sazanami fonts, and re-installing
> ttfonts-ja-1.2-34 without success.  I've also tried reverting back to the
> 11.4-46.svn1587 IIim packages, and of course that didn't affect the
> problem...
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[Akira TAGOH]

> > > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:57:05 -0700,
> > > > > "DM" == D M  wrote:

DM> OK, I have the 11-4-60 packages installed, am trying to do Japanese input in
DM> English KDE, Fedora core 2:
> > rpm -qa |fgrep iiim

DM> iiimf-client-lib-devel-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-csconv-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-le-canna-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-client-lib-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-x-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-docs-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-protocol-lib-devel-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-gtk-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-emacs-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-protocol-lib-11.4-60
DM> iiimf-server-11.4-60

Please, don't use -60. it has a lot of bugs. if you want to
test IIIMF, please install 11.4-63.svn1772.1 which is
available on rawhide (Fedora Core development). otherwise
use 11.4-46.svn1587 as the stable updated packages.

DM> I can type the above, but cannot see any text in the input window.  Which 
DM> makes selecting kanji sort of a guessing game...  I can only see the Japanese 
DM> text after I hit return.  The windows appear to behave as they should, but I 
DM> just don't see any text until I commit the character.

can you reproduce this on even the above version?
I haven't seen such problem.

Thanks,
--
Akira TAGOH

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[D M]

On Friday 02 July 2004 01:42, Akira TAGOH wrote:
> Please, don't use -60. it has a lot of bugs. if you want to
> test IIIMF, please install 11.4-63.svn1772.1 which is
> available on rawhide (Fedora Core development). otherwise
> use 11.4-46.svn1587 as the stable updated packages.

I believe I did have these problems with 11.4-46.svn1587, and since its not 
clear 60 is helping anything I'll revert back and try again...

What font does the input window choose, or how is that controlled?  I have
changed all my KDE fonts (via control center) to Kochi Gothic, but fixed
width am only allowed western fonts (or at minimum aliased fonts) -- though
I see the same effect from a brand new uncustomized account as well.  It works
fine if I start out in Japanese mode, but if my default language is English
the character window becomes fontless.  Mysteriously it works perfect from 
mozilla, but then returning to a KDE app, there are no fonts.
> DM> I can type the above, but cannot see any text in the input window. 
> Which DM> makes selecting kanji sort of a guessing game...  I can only see
> the Japanese DM> text after I hit return.  The windows appear to behave as
> they should, but I DM> just don't see any text until I commit the
> character.
>
> can you reproduce this on even the above version?
> I haven't seen such problem.
> Thanks,
> Akira TAGOH
>
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Fedora-i18n-list] Japanese also almost working... Now fonts are toasted too

[Akira TAGOH]

Hi,
> > > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:44:56 -0700,
> > > > > "DM" == D M  wrote:

DM> I believe I did have these problems with 11.4-46.svn1587, and since its not 
DM> clear 60 is helping anything I'll revert back and try again...

What the problem did you see on -46.svn1587?

DM> What font does the input window choose, or how is that controlled?  I have
DM> changed all my KDE fonts (via control center) to Kochi Gothic, but fixed
DM> width am only allowed western fonts (or at minimum aliased fonts) -- though
DM> I see the same effect from a brand new uncustomized account as well.  It works
DM> fine if I start out in Japanese mode, but if my default language is English
DM> the character window becomes fontless.  Mysteriously it works perfect from 
DM> mozilla, but then returning to a KDE app, there are no fonts.

When I just tested httx with LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8 on kedit (and KDE), but it works
fine. which version of ttfonts-ja have you installed btw? if
it's a testing package for Sazanami fonts, please revert it
too to track your problem down efficiently.

Regards,
--
Akira TAGOH