font packages list

[Akira TAGOH]

Hi,

just thought it may be a good idea to put the packages list
anywhere, which fonts are used for aliases by default. so
I'm trying to generate the list from comps and the
fontconfig file (to see the priority and the alias) in a
package.

Here is the list genereated:

https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html

That doesn't contain all of font packages but only font
packages marked as "mandatory" or "default" in comps. also
sorted out against the fontconfig priority.

Also the source code is available at:

http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=tagoh/public_git/fonts-sig.git;a=tree;f=...

I'm not checking everything so it might be wrong in some
cases. any volunteers to check are always welcome :)

Cheers,
--
Akira TAGOH

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le Lun 20 décembre 2010 12:31, Akira TAGOH a écrit :
>  Hi,
>
>  just thought it may be a good idea to put the packages list
>  anywhere, which fonts are used for aliases by default. so
>  I'm trying to generate the list from comps and the
>  fontconfig file (to see the priority and the alias) in a
>  package.
>
>  Here is the list genereated:
>
>  https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html 
Doesn't resolve right now :(

>  That doesn't contain all of font packages but only font
>  packages marked as "mandatory" or "default" in comps. also
>  sorted out against the fontconfig priority. 
Bur the idea is nice. Would you be ok with adding this to fontpackages-tools?
(I can get you git/pkgdb access if you don't have it yet)

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

[Akira TAGOH]

> >>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:20:00 +0100,
> >>>> "NM" == "Nicolas Mailhot"
> <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote: 
NM> Le Lun 20 décembre 2010 12:31, Akira TAGOH a écrit :
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > just thought it may be a good idea to put the packages list
> > anywhere, which fonts are used for aliases by default. so
> > I'm trying to generate the list from comps and the
> > fontconfig file (to see the priority and the alias) in a
> > package.
> > 
> > Here is the list genereated:
> > 
> > https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html 
NM> Doesn't resolve right now :(

My bad.. that should be:
http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html

> > That doesn't contain all of font packages but only font
> > packages marked as "mandatory" or "default" in comps. also
> > sorted out against the fontconfig priority. 
NM> Bur the idea is nice. Would you be ok with adding this to fontpackages-tools?
NM> (I can get you git/pkgdb access if you don't have it yet)

Sure. no problem.

--
Akira TAGOH

[Akira TAGOH]

This may also helps to clean up comps to have the certain
number of packages per aliases for default perhaps.

> >>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:28:52 +0900 (JST),
> >>>> "AT" == Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: 
> >>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:20:00 +0100,
> >>>> "NM" == "Nicolas Mailhot"
> <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote: 
NM> Le Lun 20 décembre 2010 12:31, Akira TAGOH a écrit :
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> just thought it may be a good idea to put the packages list
> >> anywhere, which fonts are used for aliases by default. so
> >> I'm trying to generate the list from comps and the
> >> fontconfig file (to see the priority and the alias) in a
> >> package.
> >> 
> >> Here is the list genereated:
> >> 
> >> https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html 
NM> Doesn't resolve right now :(

AT> My bad.. that should be:
AT> http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultinstalledfonts.html

> >> That doesn't contain all of font packages but only font
> >> packages marked as "mandatory" or "default" in comps. also
> >> sorted out against the fontconfig priority. 
NM> Bur the idea is nice. Would you be ok with adding this to fontpackages-tools?
NM> (I can get you git/pkgdb access if you don't have it yet)

AT> Sure. no problem.

AT> --
AT> Akira TAGOH

[Akira TAGOH]

Hi,

The improved fonts table is available at:
http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultfonts.html

old one wasn't a bit useful because there are no way to know
what exactly the font is default. so I've put the font name
in the table this time.

I'm not planning to do mass-filing-a-bug for languages not
having any fonts in any generic names, because this
generator doesn't refer the default rule in fontconfig so
far and the default latin fonts might be sufficient for
that. though that may be good to add it into the certain
language group in comps to make sure if the expected fonts
are certainly installed for language. dunno.

However some fonts seems not having any fontconfig config
files. so that may be worth filing a bug perhaps.

Finally the latest source code is available in fontpackages
git repo now. thanks Nicolas for this offer.

Enjoy,
--
Akira TAGOH

[Akira TAGOH]

I'm trying to validate the result of the fonts table. if
anyone has any answer for the question, please follow up on
the mail. the result may be too long. I dropped when the
actual result is same with the table.

For the legend:

! need attention
Q question
X different result with the table

* ethiopic-support (am)
!! sans-serif: "Abyssinica SIL"
!! monospace: "Abyssinica SIL"
QQ missing assignment of sans-serif, monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* arabic-support (ar)
XX serif: "PakType Naqsh"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and arabic-support
   for kacst-*-fonts in comps (optional vs default)
QQ sil-scheherazade-fonts was picked up from persian-support
   though it's used prior to anything packages installed by
   default for Arabic.

* assamese-support (as)
XX sans-serif(as): "Lohit Bengali"
!! serif(as): "Lohit Bengali"
!! monospace(as): "Lohit Bengali"
!! serif(as-in): "Lohit Bengali"
!! monospace(as-in): "Lohit Bengali"
QQ looking up with lang=as seems not giving us the expected
   result but lang=as-in is ok.
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* bengali-support (bn)
!! serif: "Lohit Bengali"
!! monospace: "Lohit Bengali"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* tibetan-support (bo)
!! sans-serif: "Jomolhari"
!! serif: "Jomolhari"
!! monospace: "Jomolhari"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and tibetan-support
   for tibetan-machine-uni-fonts in comps
   (optional vs mandatory)
QQ missing assignment of sans-serif, serif and monospace or
   missing packages in comps.

* bhutanese-support (dz)
!! sans-serif: "Jomolhari"
!! serif: "Jomolhari"
!! monospace: "Jomolhari"
QQ missing assignment of sans-serif, serif and monospace or
   missing packages in comps.

* persian-support (fa)
!! sans-serif: "DejaVu Sans"
XX serif: "PakType Naqsh"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans Mono"
QQ status conflict betwen fonts group and persian-support
   for sil-scheherazade-fonts in comps
   (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of sans-serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* gujarati-support (gu)
XX serif: "Lohit Gujarati"
!! monospace: "Lohit Gujarati"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and gujarati-support
   for samyak-gujarati-fonts in comps
   (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* hebrew-support (he)
XX serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and hebrew-support
   for culmus-*-fonts in comps (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* hindi-support (hi)
XX serif: "Lohit Devanagari"
!! monospace: "Lohit Devanagari"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and hindi-support for
   samyak-devanagari-fonts in comps (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* armenian-support (hy)
!! serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* inuktitut-support (iu)
!! serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* japanese-support (ja)
!! serif: "VL Gothic"
QQ missing assignment of serif or missing packages in
   comps.

* georgian-support (ka)
QQ status conflict between fonts group and georgian-support
   for bpg-{chveulebrivi,courier,glaho}-fonts in comps
   (optional vs default)

* khmer-support (km)
!! serif: "Khmer OS"
!! monospace: "Khmer OS"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and khmer-support for
   khmeros-{battambang,bokor,handwritten,metal-chrieng,muol,siemreap}-fonts
   in comps.
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* kannada-support (kn)
!! serif: "Lohit Kannada"
!! monospace: "Lohit Kannada"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* korean-support (ko)
XX serif: "WenQuanYi Zen Hei"
XX monospace: "WenQuanYi Zen Hei Mono"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and korean-support
   for un-core-{batang,dinaru,graphic,gungseo,pilgi}-fonts
   in comps.
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* konkani-support (kok)
!! serif: "Lohit Devanagari"
!! monospace: "Lohit Devanagari"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* kashmiri-support (ks)
XX sans-serif: "PakType Naqsh"
!! serif: "PakType Naqsh"
!! monospace: "PakType Naqsh"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.
QQ paktype-naqsh-fonts affects to kashmiri-support

* kurdish-support (ku)
XX sans-serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! serif: "DejaVu Serif"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans Mono"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and kurdish-support
   for kurdit-unikurd-web-fonts in comps
   (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* lao-support (lo)
!! serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* maithili-support (mai)
!! serif: "Lohit Devanagari"
!! monospace: "Lohit Devanagari"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* malayalam-support (ml)
XX serif: "Meera"
!! monospace: "Meera"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and malayalam-support
   for samyak-malayalam-fonts, smc-*-fonts in comps.
   (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* marathi-support (mr)
XX serif: "Lohit Devanagari"
!! monospace: "Lohit Devanagari"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and marathi-support
   for samyak-devanagari-fonts in comps.
   (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* burmese-support (my)
!! serif: "Padauk"
!! monospace: "Padauk"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* nepali-support (ne)
!! serif: "Lohit Devanagari"
!! monospace: "Lohit Devanagari"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* oriya-support (or)
XX serif: "Lohit Oriya"
!! monospace: "Lohit Oriya"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and oriya-support for
   samyak-oriya-fonts in comps (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* punjabi-support (pa)
XX serif: "Lohit Punjabi"
!! monospace: "Lohit Punjabi"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and punjabi-support
   for saab-fonts in comps (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* russian-support (ru)
XX sans-serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! serif: "DejaVu Serif"
!! monospace: "DejaVu Sans Mono"
QQ dejavu-sans-fonts affects to russian-support
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* sindhi-support (sd)
XX sans-serif: "DejaVu Sans"
!! serif: "PakType Naqsh"
!! monospace: "PakType Naqsh"
QQ dejavu-sans-fonts affects to sindhi-support
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* sinhala-support (si)
!! serif: "LKLUG"
!! monospace: "LKLUG"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* tamil-support (ta)
XX serif: "Lohit Tamil"
!! monospace: "Lohit Tamil"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and tamil-support for
   samyak-tamil-fonts and serafettin-cartoon-fonts in comps
   (optional vs default)
QQ missing assignment of monospace or missing packages in
   comps.

* telugu-support (te)
!! serif: "Lohit Telugu"
!! monospace: "Lohit Telugu"
QQ missing assignment of serif and monospace or missing
   packages in comps.

* thai-support (th)
!! sans-serif: "Waree"
!! serif: "Waree"
!! monospace: "Waree"
QQ missing assignment of sans-serif, serif and monospace or
   missing packages in comps.

* urdu-support (ur)
XX sans-serif: "PakType Naqsh"
XX serif: "PakType Naqsh"
XX monospace: "PakType Naqsh"
QQ need to clarify what the expected behavior is...
QQ listing kacst-*-fonts in the table is a bug in this
   generator.

* chinese-support (zh)
XX sans-serif: "WenQuanYi Zen Hei"
XX serif: "WenQuanYi Zen Hei"
XX monospace: "WenQuanYi Zen Hei Mono"
QQ status conflict between fonts group and chinese-support
   for cjkuni-uming-fonts in comps (optional vs default)

--
Akira TAGOH

[Akira TAGOH]

> >>>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:56:30 +0900 (JST),
> >>>> "AT" == Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: 
AT> Hi,

AT> The improved fonts table is available at:
AT> http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultfonts.html

Updated the page to make it more decorative and
informative. the old page was a bit complicated and less
information even though I've followed up a bit in the
previous mail. so I've get rid of the package name there but
popping up as the tooltip now. also I've added some
decorations to give you a hint why the font package is
there.

There are some suggestions from me for maintainers who
owns packages that:

 * appears as bold and gray-colored name, you may need to
   fix comps or fontconfig config file in the package,
   because it affects the certain language unexpectedly.

 * appears as bold-italic name, you may need to fix comps,
   because it may be supposed to be used as the certain
   alias by default, but it's only enabled for the certain
   language but not for other languages. this would means
   that gives users the different looks for displaying.

 * appears as no decorations but located after any italic
   name, you may want to consider to update comps which
   fonts should be used by default for language. this may be
   more serious than the above case. because given the
   packages that has marked default so far is expected one,
   it won't be used for people who installed with that
   language.

 * appears as bold-italic name at the top of list, you may
   also need to consider the above case as well.

 * appears no bold name in any generic names, you may need
   to dicsuss other font maintainers for your language to
   assign any fonts to the missing generic names. or if any
   fonts already has one, please update comps to install it
   by default. for your language at least.

For giving different result I've pointed out in yesterday's
mail, any fixes may be necessary for either of font packages
to change the order of the fontconfig config files perhaps.

Cheers,
--
Akira TAGOH

[Akira TAGOH]

for f15, http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f15-defaultfonts.html

FYI

---
Akira TAGOH

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Hi,
| 
| The improved fonts table is available at:
| http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultfonts.html
| 
| old one wasn't a bit useful because there are no way to know
| what exactly the font is default. so I've put the font name
| in the table this time.
| 
| I'm not planning to do mass-filing-a-bug for languages not
| having any fonts in any generic names, because this
| generator doesn't refer the default rule in fontconfig so
| far and the default latin fonts might be sufficient for
| that. though that may be good to add it into the certain
| language group in comps to make sure if the expected fonts
| are certainly installed for language. dunno.
| 
| However some fonts seems not having any fontconfig config
| files. so that may be worth filing a bug perhaps.
| 
| Finally the latest source code is available in fontpackages
| git repo now. thanks Nicolas for this offer.
| 
| Enjoy,
| --
| Akira TAGOH
| 
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[Akira TAGOH]

for f16, http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f16-defaultfonts.html

It seems that no changes has been made since f15 at this moment.
I'm not sure if we are facing any space issue on the installation media such as spins
and Live etc, we could still improve it if needed.

We should have certain aliases for Tibetan, Dzongkha and Thai at least. no aliases defined
for those languages at all.

Aside from that, some fonts packages being sorted out at "other" (and
particularly is decorated by non-italic which would be installed by default regardless of
languages) may have options to 1) assign any aliases to use it efficiently or 2) get rid
of "mandatory" or "default" from comps otherwise.

The candidate packages are here:

jomolhari-fonts
thai-scalable-waree-fonts
tibetan-machine-uni-fonts (bo only)
culmus-caladings-clm-fonts (he and yi only)
culmus-yehuda-clm-fonts (he and yi only)
un-core-dinaru-fonts (ko only)
un-core-gungseo-fonts (ko only)
un-core-pilgi-fonts (ko only)
madan-fonts (ne only)
serafettin-cartoon-fonts (ta only)
thai-scalable-garuda-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-kinnari-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-loma-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-norasi-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-purisa-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-sawasdee-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-tlwgmono-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-tlwgtypewriter-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-tlwgtypist-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-tlwgtypo-fonts (th only)
thai-scalable-umpush-fonts (th only)
cjkuni-ukai-fonts (zh_TW only)


One more topic on this list is, we should update comps for packages being gray-colored,
which means selecting the default font behaves differently when installing other fonts
packages from other language supports. we should keep consistency of the default font for
language. so if it looks good to default for that language, we may consider to update the
fontconfig file to give it a priority or update comps to install it by default.

This is a bit hard to explain what to do in general, so please review the list once and
ask me if in doubt.

Cheers,
---
Akira TAGOH

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| for f15, http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f15-defaultfonts.html
| 
| FYI
| 
| ---
| Akira TAGOH
| 
| ----- 元のメッセージ -----
| | Hi,
| |
| | The improved fonts table is available at:
| | http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f14-defaultfonts.html
| |
| | old one wasn't a bit useful because there are no way to know
| | what exactly the font is default. so I've put the font name
| | in the table this time.
| |
| | I'm not planning to do mass-filing-a-bug for languages not
| | having any fonts in any generic names, because this
| | generator doesn't refer the default rule in fontconfig so
| | far and the default latin fonts might be sufficient for
| | that. though that may be good to add it into the certain
| | language group in comps to make sure if the expected fonts
| | are certainly installed for language. dunno.
| |
| | However some fonts seems not having any fontconfig config
| | files. so that may be worth filing a bug perhaps.
| |
| | Finally the latest source code is available in fontpackages
| | git repo now. thanks Nicolas for this offer.
| |
| | Enjoy,
| | --
| | Akira TAGOH
| |
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[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

Sorry late reply:

----- Original Message -----
>  for f16, http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f16-defaultfonts.html
>  We should have certain aliases for Tibetan, Dzongkha and Thai at
>  least. no aliases defined for those languages at all.
>  
>  Aside from that, some fonts packages being sorted out at "other" (and
>  particularly is decorated by non-italic which would be installed by
>  default regardless of languages) may have options to 1) assign any
>  aliases to use it efficiently or 2) get rid of "mandatory" or
>  "default" from comps otherwise. 
How about filing bugs for missing aliases that should be fixed?
A tracker bug may be good too?

Jens

[Akira TAGOH]

Well, no policies to complain about it. that would be the sort of RFE in that sense so
far. but would be a good idea. let me try.

---
Akira TAGOH

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Sorry late reply:
| 
| ----- Original Message -----
| > for f16, http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f16-defaultfonts.html
| 
| > We should have certain aliases for Tibetan, Dzongkha and Thai at
| > least. no aliases defined for those languages at all.
| >
| > Aside from that, some fonts packages being sorted out at "other"
| > (and
| > particularly is decorated by non-italic which would be installed by
| > default regardless of languages) may have options to 1) assign any
| > aliases to use it efficiently or 2) get rid of "mandatory" or
| > "default" from comps otherwise.
| 
| How about filing bugs for missing aliases that should be fixed?
| A tracker bug may be good too?
| 
| Jens