On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 11:20 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
From what you say above, it sounds like the ConsoleKit feature should be declared incomplete, and we should be reverting it unless the feature owners finish the job.
If this is the case, then we would only have had ConsoleKit in F-11...
At the time the issue happened, there was no feature process, but I can't see how it would have changed anything. A feature process cannot prevent lack of planning, focus on gnome, lack of integration with existing frameworks and lack of consideration for alternative setups,
I think that's a fundamental part of what the feature process _should_ be doing. The whole point of the feature process, as I see it, is about precisely the _planning_ you say we lack. Otherwise, we're just be throwing new stuff in willy-nilly and just writing it up in the release notes after the fact.
In this case, there seems to have been a disagreement about _how_ the other display managers should be fixed. Regardless of that, I think it's clear that they _SHOULD_ have been fixed...
if this attitude is endorsed by the project on a whole, which is the case for fedora, see for example https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=228110#c19 and look at all the conversations on this mailing list or fesco decisions.
... but I also think Jeremy was right in the above-mentioned #c19, where he dropped the bug status to 'tracker'. That's 'SHOULD', not 'MUST'.
A FESCo vote (at least of today FESCo) would certainly be to let the minor dm be broken
Maybe. I, for one, would vote against it -- I'd expect those responsible for the PackageKit 'feature' to fix it _somehow_, rather than just leaving it broken. Even if there is some argument that the fix could be done a better way.
(hopefully they will be fixed for the RHEL release),
I hope that's not an issue for FESCo members -- although it _should_ be a factor in the decision-making process of @redhat.com folks working on stuff. "We're going to have to do the sensible thing in RHEL in the end anyway; let's do it right away and not screw Fedora over".