Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart
On 01:59:43 PM Monday, June 13, 2011 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 13.06.2011 05:58, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>> and even on a new setup this should be a decision of the user
>> at the very beginning what init-system he wants to us
>
> No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components
> should be a decision of the distribution.
thats freedom?
Yes, this is the freedom of the people that do the work to take some
decisions. Freedom is one of the rights for people that work on the
distribution too, don't you think so ?
> To the user, it should be only an implementation detail. To the software
> on the distribution, it should matter that they can rely on the core
> system components being what they are and not have a user replace
> something as central as the init system.
and usually HE CAN NOT with the most new technologies introduced in Fedora
the first two releases (PulseAudio, KDE 4.0...)
> I think it makes no sense whatsoever to even OFFER upstart in F15+ as we
> are doing. I don't see any valid reason why you'd use it over systemd.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709681
because your fukcing holy cow is not well tested and stable enough
and that it was planned for Fedora 14 and reverted at the last moment
and now a version later /run was introduced and discussed
not long ago shows that there are some peopole in the fedora community
with the only interest getting their stuff to as many users as possible
without a real interest if they can live with it
> You complain about some bugs in systemd, those should be reported as bugs
> and fixed.
AND THAT IIS WHY YOZ SHOULD INSTALL SYSTEMD ONLY FOR NEW INSTALLATIONS TO
GET A USERBASE FOR BUGREPORTS AND LAVE SINCE YEARS LUCKY USERS FUCK IN
PEACE
And who is gonna do the testing of 2 distributions? Because testing 2 different
init systems is like testing 2 different distributions. Fedora QA are already
overloaded enough so we can't make that on them.
And who is gonna do the work on all the patches for working with and making
use of the features of the 2 different init systems? I would not do such thing
for my packages for sure.
As soon as some core component changes I'll support it only whenever I'm
involved. YES, THIS IS MY FREEDOM TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO!
Though I'll let everyone that wants to comaintain smth to do the work to
support alternatives but I'm still failing to see the army of contributors
just sitting and waiting for what to do. Until this happens people should
remember that the one that do the works has freedom too and if they don't like
smth they are free to come with better implementation and offer it.
Alexander Kurtakov