On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 16:53 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040203@freenet.de wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 12:38 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Dmitry Butskoy wrote:
Itamar - IspBrasil wrote:
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The fact that they switched to CentOS is *good* for Fedora.
I can not disagree more - To me, it's yet another evidence of Fedora being on the loose.
You're going to have to expound on that. I do not see Centos in any way as in competition with Fedora.
EPEL drains away resources from Fedora.
If people were investing the time they (as I feel waste) on supporting EPEL into Fedora, Fedora would be better.
Centos is something everyone should be proud of.
Well, to me CentOS is as important as any other arbitrary Linux distro. I am glad they are around, but not more and not less.
CentOS's goals are better oriented to the needs of someone that wants to deploy a system and run it for years. Fedora is good for people who want to get the latest technologies from upstream as soon as they're stable enough to integrate into a running system.
Right. But why can't Fedora do better? I feel Fedora could do better.
Sure. With more devs, servers, time, etc.
... less bureaucracy, less committees/less chiefs/more Indians, different people, different strategies.
But baring a sudden increase in those, I would much prefer to see Fedora focus on dev and testing, let other distros pretty things up.
ACK. Unfortunately, Fedora is drifting away from this group towards single-user desktops (e.g. OLPC).
This situation seems to be reflected in the Fedora project itself. Guess, how many Fedora infrastructure servers are run under the latest "stable" Fedora release?
As few as possible.
IMO, a fundamental management/infrastructure mistake - If these people were using Fedora, they would be facing the issues Fedora users are facing everyday and likely would being to understand why people complain about Fedora.
Why would they, after often suggesting that Fedora _not_ be used on production servers, use Fedora on their production servers?
Depends on how they mean it: - if they are referring to "long term maintained/everlasting support" servers, they are right. - if they mean it as "Fedora is technically too unstable", then this people should start working on improving the situation or (better) quit Fedora.
The reason is not about stability. It is about updates. Once Fedora stops getting updates we'd have to upgrade to the next Fedora release with all of the churn that causes for vastly unrelated pieces of the OS.
Gotcha! If not even the Fedora project can handle the issues, why do you expect users to be able to solve them? I think technically the issues can be overcome. It's a matter of will.
Well, it's not really an issue. It's only an issue if you run Fedora on your production servers.
They would be less issues, if Fedora was using Fedora for its servers.
More bluntly: The fact Fedora is not using Fedora for its servers is a shame for Fedora.
Ralf