Where are the CD ISO's? (fwd)

[Mike McGrath]

What are the plans for media support for Fedora 9?

-Mike

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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:32:33 +0100
From: Heinrich Winther Christensen 
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Where are the CD ISO's?

Hi...

My old but useful server doesn't have DVD, so I desperately need ISO's
for CD's.
Where will I find them?

Heinrich

[Jesse Keating]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:47:38 -0600 (CST)
Mike McGrath  wrote:
> What are the plans for media support for Fedora 9?

Generating split media as part of the official compose process.  Alpha
will see DVD + split CD media.

[Chris Lumens]

> > What are the plans for media support for Fedora 9?
>
> Generating split media as part of the official compose process.  Alpha
> will see DVD + split CD media.

Hooray!  Writing all that split media code was hard, so I'm glad we'll
actually be making use of it again.

- Chris

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 11:53 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:47:38 -0600 (CST)
> Mike McGrath  wrote:
> > What are the plans for media support for Fedora 9?
>
> Generating split media as part of the official compose process.  Alpha
> will see DVD + split CD media.

Will we see a split "Everything"?

The "stripped" "Fedora"-isos are not really suitable for upgrades.

Ralf

[Jesse Keating]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:31:46 +0100
Ralf Corsepius  wrote:
> Will we see a split "Everything"?
>
> The "stripped" "Fedora"-isos are not really suitable for upgrades.

Not as of yet.

[John Reiser]

> Will we see a split "Everything"?

http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/fedora-8-everything-spin
which was released within four days of the official release.

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 07:07 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
> > Will we see a split "Everything"?
>
> http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/fedora-8-everything-spin
> which was released within four days of the official release.

Great! I was aware about fedoraunity's spins, but have never used them -
May-be I should give them a try next time, before wasting bandwidth and
time on the original sites :/

BTW: Do you also have or at least consider a "network install Everything
+updates iso/img"?

I mean something similar to Fedora's standard boot.iso, but configured
to point to a networked "Everything+updates" instead of "Fedora"?

This is at least what I what consider a direly missing feature from the
current ways to install Fedora ;)

Ralf

[Jon Ciesla]

> On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 07:07 -0800, John Reiser wrote:
> > > Will we see a split "Everything"?
> >
> > http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/fedora-8-everything-spin
> > which was released within four days of the official release.
>
> Great! I was aware about fedoraunity's spins, but have never used them -
> May-be I should give them a try next time, before wasting bandwidth and
> time on the original sites :/
>
> BTW: Do you also have or at least consider a "network install Everything
> +updates iso/img"?

The rescue cd does that, as I recently discovered.  Works very well.
> I mean something similar to Fedora's standard boot.iso, but configured
> to point to a networked "Everything+updates" instead of "Fedora"?
>
> This is at least what I what consider a direly missing feature from the
> current ways to install Fedora ;)
>
> Ralf
>
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[Jesse Keating]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:23:49 +0100
Ralf Corsepius  wrote:
> BTW: Do you also have or at least consider a "network install
> Everything +updates iso/img"?
>
> I mean something similar to Fedora's standard boot.iso, but configured
> to point to a networked "Everything+updates" instead of "Fedora"?
>
> This is at least what I what consider a direly missing feature from
> the current ways to install Fedora ;)

rescue.iso (which will be renamed to be more intuitive this release)
can be used to do that.  The only missing thing is adding the 'updates'
repo at upgrade time.  Currently we don't have UI for adding repos
during upgrade, and that should probably be fixed.

Where are the CD ISO's?

[Kushal Das]

Hi all,
I tried livecd-iso-to-disk with livecd images, and it simply rocks. I can boot 
my system from  my USB key.

Kushal

[Benny Amorsen]

Jesse Keating  writes:
> Generating split media as part of the official compose process.  Alpha
> will see DVD + split CD media.

What about USB sticks etc? I don't mind if they need to be DVD size or
larger.

/Benny

[Rahul Sundaram]

Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Jesse Keating  writes:
> > Generating split media as part of the official compose process.  Alpha
> > will see DVD + split CD media.
>
> What about USB sticks etc? I don't mind if they need to be DVD size or
> larger.

# yum install livecd-tools
# livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>

Rahul

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Benny Amorsen wrote:
> > Jesse Keating  writes:
> > > Generating split media as part of the official compose process.  Alpha
> > > will see DVD + split CD media.
> >
> > What about USB sticks etc? I don't mind if they need to be DVD size or
> > larger.
>
> # yum install livecd-tools
> # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>

Just to make it sure: Does this work for the normal (non live media) 
installation media, too?

Regards,
Till

[Bill Nottingham]

Till Maas ([e-mail]) said:
> > # yum install livecd-tools
> > # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>
>
> Just to make it sure: Does this work for the normal (non live media) 
> installation media, too?

... how?

Bill

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Till Maas ([e-mail]) said:
> > > # yum install livecd-tools
> > > # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>
> >
> > Just to make it sure: Does this work for the normal (non live media)
> > installation media, too?
>
> ... how?

I do not know the details, but when it is possible to make usb sticks 
bootable, it should be possible to use them to boot the contents of an 
installation dvd.

Regards,
Till

[Ralf Ertzinger]

Hi.

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:42:54 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote
> > Just to make it sure: Does this work for the normal (non live
> > media) installation media, too?
>
> ... how?

Well... basically just like the live image, but booting the
normal installer instead?

I could have used that a week ago, as a matter of fact.

[Bill Nottingham]

Ralf Ertzinger ([e-mail]) said:
> > > Just to make it sure: Does this work for the normal (non live
> > > media) installation media, too?
> >
> > ... how?
>
> Well... basically just like the live image, but booting the
> normal installer instead?
>
> I could have used that a week ago, as a matter of fact.

Not in livecd-tools, no. It knows nothing of merging repodata, etc.
Note that if you wanted to do this, you'd want to handle split
media.

Bill

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Not in livecd-tools, no. It knows nothing of merging repodata, etc.
> Note that if you wanted to do this, you'd want to handle split
> media.

When one uses the dvd image, there is afaik no need to merge anything. And 
imho merging would also not be needed, if only separte directories for each 
medium would be used and anaconda could be told where to look for each 
medium.

Regards,
Till

[Bill Nottingham]

Till Maas ([e-mail]) said:
> > Not in livecd-tools, no. It knows nothing of merging repodata, etc.
> > Note that if you wanted to do this, you'd want to handle split
> > media.
>
> When one uses the dvd image, there is afaik no need to merge anything. And 
> imho merging would also not be needed, if only separte directories for each 
> medium would be used and anaconda could be told where to look for each 
> medium.

Right, I still am not seeing why this would be in livecd-XXX-to-YYY.

Bill

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Till Maas ([e-mail]) said:
> > > Not in livecd-tools, no. It knows nothing of merging repodata, etc.
> > > Note that if you wanted to do this, you'd want to handle split
> > > media.
> >
> > When one uses the dvd image, there is afaik no need to merge anything.
> > And imho merging would also not be needed, if only separte directories
> > for each medium would be used and anaconda could be told where to look
> > for each medium.
>
> Right, I still am not seeing why this would be in livecd-XXX-to-YYY.

Using livecd-iso-to-usb was an answer that was given to the question, how to 
get this (using the installation medium with usb) done. Then I asked, whether 
this really works and explained how it could work. Maybe 
installationmedia-image-to-usb would be a better name for such a programm, 
but I guess most of the code would be common with livecd-iso-to-usb.

Regards,
Till

[Jesse Keating]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:42:09 +0100
Till Maas  wrote:
> Using livecd-iso-to-usb was an answer that was given to the question,
> how to get this (using the installation medium with usb) done. Then I
> asked, whether this really works and explained how it could work.
> Maybe installationmedia-image-to-usb would be a better name for such
> a programm, but I guess most of the code would be common with
> livecd-iso-to-usb.

The only common code would be the part that makes the usb bootable.
The rest would be vastly different.

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:42:09 +0100
>
> Till Maas  wrote:
> > Using livecd-iso-to-usb was an answer that was given to the question,
> > how to get this (using the installation medium with usb) done. Then I
> > asked, whether this really works and explained how it could work.
> > Maybe installationmedia-image-to-usb would be a better name for such
> > a programm, but I guess most of the code would be common with
> > livecd-iso-to-usb.
>
> The only common code would be the part that makes the usb bootable.
> The rest would be vastly different.

I just played around with it a little, when I use livecd-iso-to-disk on the 
Fedora 8 i386 iso Image, a bootable stick is created. It does not boot with 
my USB hd (or maybe it just needs a lot longer than with the 1 GB stick). 
When I boot from the stick, anaconda allows to select to install from 
harddisk. Both devices are then found. The only problem is, that anaconda 
does not recognize the iso image, it says on some console, that the 
Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso image is not the right one. In German it also only 
mentions CDs but not DVDs, don't know, whether this is an issue.

Long story short: The only extra code seems to be to copy the iso image(s) to 
the usb device, given that anaconda supports using a harddisk for 
installation source and can use the iso files.

Regards,
Till

[Till Maas]

On Wed January 16 2008, Till Maas wrote:
> Long story short: The only extra code seems to be to copy the iso image(s)
> to the usb device, given that anaconda supports using a harddisk for
> installation source and can use the iso files.

With the CentOS 4.4 Server CD (CentOS-4.4.ServerCD-i386.iso) this seems to 
work. Anaconda finds stage 2 and I get the disk druid screen. I did not try 
any further. I only needed to copy the iso to the usb stick after runnung 
livecd-iso-to-disk with the iso and selected install from harddisk.

Regards,
Till

[John Reiser]

> # yum install livecd-tools
> # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>

Please improve the documentation by giving a literal example
of <devicename>, and explain.

Is it, for instance:
   # livecd-iso-to-disk Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sde
where <devicename> is the entire device (in this case the
fifth device ['e'] which uses the "SCSI" driver),
or should it be instead
   # livecd-iso-to-disk Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sde1
where <devicename> is a DOS-style partition on the device?
Or can both of these work in some cases, and how can you tell?
Which one should you try first, and why?  [I really don't know!]

There are enough BIOS with quirks and bugs in booting from USB
that any extra uncertainty is an excessive burden on users.

[Rahul Sundaram]

John Reiser wrote:
> > # yum install livecd-tools
> > # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>
>
> Please improve the documentation by giving a literal example
> of <devicename>, and explain.
>
> Is it, for instance:
>    # livecd-iso-to-disk Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sde
> where <devicename> is the entire device (in this case the
> fifth device ['e'] which uses the "SCSI" driver),
> or should it be instead
>    # livecd-iso-to-disk Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sde1
> where <devicename> is a DOS-style partition on the device?
> Or can both of these work in some cases, and how can you tell?

The latter.

Rahul

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, John Reiser wrote:
> > # yum install livecd-tools
> > # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>
>
> Please improve the documentation by giving a literal example
> of <devicename>, and explain.

Please open a bug report for this. :-)

Regards,
Till

[Benny Amorsen]

Rahul Sundaram  writes:
> # yum install livecd-tools
> # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>

I have zero interest in a livecd, sorry. I'm talking about the real
release.

/Benny

[Rahul Sundaram]

Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram  writes:
> > # yum install livecd-tools
> > # livecd-iso-to-disk <isofile> <devicename>
>
> I have zero interest in a livecd, sorry. I'm talking about the real
> release.

Live CD's are part of the "real" release too. You probably mean regular 
installable images and there isn't any easy way to convert them into a 
bootable USB image.

Rahul

[Till Maas]

On Tue January 15 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Live CD's are part of the "real" release too. You probably mean regular
> installable images and there isn't any easy way to convert them into a
> bootable USB image.

Why is it not easy?

Regards,
Till

[Rahul Sundaram]

Till Maas wrote:
> On Tue January 15 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Live CD's are part of the "real" release too. You probably mean regular
> > installable images and there isn't any easy way to convert them into a
> > bootable USB image.
>
> Why is it not easy?

... because nobody has developed such a tool or packaged one for Fedora 
if it already exists.

Rahul

[John Reiser]

> > You probably mean regular
> > installable images and there isn't any easy way to convert them into a
> > bootable USB image.
> Why is it not easy?

It can be easy.  Use boot parameter "askmethod" with any device at all
(including a minimal diskboot.img on USB, rescue CD, GRUB, etc.),
then proceed.

If the DVD fits onto your USB2.0 flash memory device, then copy the .iso
as a file into some filesystem on a partition on the device, and do a
harddrive install from .iso images.  You must remember the path to the
directory which contains the .iso.  [I hope that the DVD stays below 4.0GB.
A 4GB USB stick is somewhat inexpensive, while an 8GB USB stick costs
more than twice as much.]  For a CD install set whose .iso files
all fit onto the same USB device, then the same technique works
as long as all the .iso files are in the same directory.

If the CDs don't all fit onto the same USB flash device, then it gets
interesting.  If you put each CD onto its own 1GB USB stick, then
does anaconda handle changing USB sticks just like changing CDs?
Or, in theory you could plug in all the USB sticks simultaneously,
just like mounting multiple physical discs on multiple CD drives.

[subhodip biswas]

Yeah .. this is a good issue .. many of fedora user here stick to
older version because cd iso in unavailable .... and live cd does not
serve their purpose ..

[John Reiser]

> What are the plans for media support for Fedora 9?

The Fedora Unity project also distributes CDs (via jigdo), including
monthly roll-ups into CD form of the official release plus all the
updated .rpms; somewhat like the result of a monthly "yum update".
> From time to time Fedora Unity also backports fixes from other sources,

in order to provide the best possible monthly distribution.

http://fedoraunity.org/news-archives/fedora-8-re-spin-released