On 06/01/2012, Peter Jones wrote:
On 06/01/2012 12:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
We just need to provide a step-by-step guide for fixing your firmware settings.
Apparently I get to explain this until I'm blue in the face: we don't really believe that's a goal we can accomplish. Every vendor is going to have a different UI for this, and in some cases it could be different across different machines from the same vendor.
I have joined this list with the express purpose of replying this, which I hope won't be seen as a rude thing to do.
Who exactly is this We person who cannot accomplish the goal of dealing with multiple vendors shipping multiple interfaces on different machines?
The Free Software Movement certainly can.
Various people seem to be going blue in the face repeating -- we cannot -- then gasping for air with -- were an alternative given I would be glad to accept it.
Would you really? Because an alternative has been given. The O.P. himself has given it. Please accept it:
Do nothing. Stand in the way. Wait patiently. Explain to those who ask, tolerate a little laughter, a little violence.
Gandhi style.
Please do your $99 thing on Red Hat Enterprise Linux, where it makes perfect sense.
This idea that Ordinary Users are helpless people is absurd. Do the members of this list think that only Fedora contributors are part of a community? That Ordinary Users are hermits living with wild animals and one notebook?
Ordinary Users will ask for the help of their Ordinary Friends when the time comes to touch their UEFI configuration interface. Their Ordinary Friends might make a phone call to some Ordinary Geek member of their Ordinary Circle. Perhaps the same person who has successfully convinced them to try the Free Software alternative.
This is how we got here in the first place. Please don't forget the power we have already proven we possess. Stop this We Cannot thing. Breathe.
-- Pedro Lamarão ∷ http://www.pedro.lamarao.nom.br/
"Sanity consists in the faculty of adjusting ideas in proper proportion." - Aleister Crowley
On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Pedro Lamarão wrote:
Who exactly is this We person who cannot accomplish the goal of dealing with multiple vendors shipping multiple interfaces on different machines?
The Free Software Movement certainly can.
This is very naive, IMO. Where is the influence of free software movement in UEFI and the hardware vendors?
As much as people want to ignore reality, and stand entirely on idealism, the reality is we're all sharing the same swimming pool whether we use Windows or not. We are affected by what Microsoft does. And if you want to consider the MS logo/certification requirement akin to pissing in the swimming pool, well you can complain about it, that's fair and all, but it doesn't actually produce any incentive whatsoever for the offending party to alter their behavior.
Do nothing. Stand in the way. Wait patiently. Explain to those who ask, tolerate a little laughter, a little violence.
Gandhi style.
Doing nothing is the exact opposite of providing an incentive for MS to change their behavior voluntarily. This is not a case of a small number of British occupying the native land of others, while out manned 10000:1 by the natives. This is a case of being minority in terms of numbers as well as power. Even if Red Hat went out on a limb and came up with their own hardware certification that exactly contradicts the negative parts of the Microsoft certification, I think we all know approximately what that would translate into. It may have an effect for some servers. It would likely have zero effect for the vastly larger desktop and laptop market, the market for Fedora.
Chris Murphy