XGL

[Benjy Grogan]

I hear that in a week or so Novell will be releasing the source code to XGL
for X11 7.0.  Will it be possible to have XGL available in Extras for FC5?
I'm guessing it's one of those new X11 modules that v7.0 is all about.  But
I know little about XGL and would like to test it out to know more.  It's
going to be in NLD 10 in a few months.

Benji

[Andy Burns]

Benjy Grogan wrote:
> I hear that in a week or so Novell will be releasing the source code to 
> XGL for X11 7.0.

Well David Reveman released a snapshot about a month ago
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-January/011922.html
> Will it be possible to have XGL available in Extras 
> for FC5?

From what I understand the new code has/is being worked back into the 
xorg tree by Dave Airlie (and others?) but there are various 
xgl/xegl/xserver/kdrive trees to take into account, as well as the 
public work that was going on while novell were doing the 
behind-closed-doors work, and at the moment I think it only works using 
nested X servers, my *GUESS* is that it won't see the light of before 
X11R7.1 at the *EARLIEST*
> I'm guessing it's one of those new X11 modules that v7.0 is 
> all about.  But I know little about XGL and would like to test it out to 
> know more.  It's going to be in NLD 10 in a few months.

Modular X is designed to help thuis sort of thing, but it's not minor 
what you're asking for, I think you need to wait for FC6 or later ...

[Mike A. Harris]

Benjy Grogan wrote:
> I hear that in a week or so Novell will be releasing the source code to 
> XGL for X11 7.0.  Will it be possible to have XGL available in Extras 
> for FC5?  I'm guessing it's one of those new X11 modules that v7.0 is 
> all about.  But I know little about XGL and would like to test it out to 
> know more.  It's going to be in NLD 10 in a few months.

There are a lot of X related "goodies" that are up and coming in the
X development world, including technologies being developed by Red Hat,
Novell, Sun, and various others in the community.  The current plan for
Fedora Core 5, is to ship X11R7.0 as the official X implementation,
including the Xorg X server.

The various developmental/experimental technologies being developed
by the above parties will most likely be available to Fedora users in
one form or another over time, however everything is quite experimental
at the current point in time to make any solid speculation for the
inclusion of other components into Fedora Core 5 at this time.

Either way, anything not included in Core, will very likely either
end up in Fedora Extras, or rpm packaged in some other experimental
repository, making it available for Fedora users to play with.

Keep in mind, both end users and developers alike are equally
anticipating the various new eye-candy technologies, and the X.Org
community is pretty close knit.  As such, you can expect that
there'll be lots of fun stuff to play with in the not distant
future.  ;o)

As various bits and pieces become less experimental, and more ready
for people to play with, myself or someone else will likely post more
information on this list and/or on the developmental X.Org and/or
Fedora IRC channels.

For now though, patience is a virtue.  ;o)

HTH

[Benjy Grogan]

Alright.  Thanks for the info.  I'm looking forward to some of these future
X technologies.  Is there a good source of information somewhere about the
architecture of X11 R7.0?  As well as some of these technologies being
developed by RedHat and Sun?  At the moment I'm only aware of Novell's work
on X.

It's going to be interesting to see how Fedora and other distributions turn
out in the next few years.  Best of luck to you guys.

Benji

On 2/1/06, Mike A. Harris  wrote:
> Benjy Grogan wrote:
> > I hear that in a week or so Novell will be releasing the source code to
> > XGL for X11 7.0.  Will it be possible to have XGL available in Extras
> > for FC5?  I'm guessing it's one of those new X11 modules that v7.0 is
> > all about.  But I know little about XGL and would like to test it out to
> > know more.  It's going to be in NLD 10 in a few months.
>
> There are a lot of X related "goodies" that are up and coming in the
> X development world, including technologies being developed by Red Hat,
> Novell, Sun, and various others in the community.  The current plan for
> Fedora Core 5, is to ship X11R7.0 as the official X implementation,
> including the Xorg X server.
>
> The various developmental/experimental technologies being developed
> by the above parties will most likely be available to Fedora users in
> one form or another over time, however everything is quite experimental
> at the current point in time to make any solid speculation for the
> inclusion of other components into Fedora Core 5 at this time.
>
> Either way, anything not included in Core, will very likely either
> end up in Fedora Extras, or rpm packaged in some other experimental
> repository, making it available for Fedora users to play with.
>
> Keep in mind, both end users and developers alike are equally
> anticipating the various new eye-candy technologies, and the X.Org
> community is pretty close knit.  As such, you can expect that
> there'll be lots of fun stuff to play with in the not distant
> future.  ;o)
>
> As various bits and pieces become less experimental, and more ready
> for people to play with, myself or someone else will likely post more
> information on this list and/or on the developmental X.Org and/or
> Fedora IRC channels.
>
> For now though, patience is a virtue.  ;o)
>
> HTH
>
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[Fernando Herrera]

On 2/4/06, Benjy Grogan  wrote:
> Alright.  Thanks for the info.  I'm looking forward to some of these future
> X technologies.  Is there a good source of information somewhere about the
> architecture of X11 R7.0?  As well as some of these technologies being
> developed by RedHat and Sun?  At the moment I'm only aware of Novell's work
> on X.

Don't miss XDevConf 2006 starting on Wed. Some highlights:
- "Xgl" - David Reveman, Novell
- "Avalon" - Matthias Hopf
- "Status Update on Project Looking Glass" - Deron Johnson, Sun
- "Development Challenges for X and GL" - Kevin Martin, Red Hat
- "Accelerated Indirect GLX" - Kristian Høgsberg, Red Hat
- "A preview of the GNOME compositing manager" - Søren Sandmann
Pedersen, Red Hat

Promising, isn't it? I hope we can get it webcasted as past years.

Salu2

[Rudolf Kastl]

2006/2/6, Fernando Herrera :
> On 2/4/06, Benjy Grogan  wrote:
> > Alright.  Thanks for the info.  I'm looking forward to some of these future
> > X technologies.  Is there a good source of information somewhere about the
> > architecture of X11 R7.0?  As well as some of these technologies being
> > developed by RedHat and Sun?  At the moment I'm only aware of Novell's work
> > on X.
>
> Don't miss XDevConf 2006 starting on Wed. Some highlights:
> "Xgl" - David Reveman, Novell
> "Avalon" - Matthias Hopf
> "Status Update on Project Looking Glass" - Deron Johnson, Sun
> "Development Challenges for X and GL" - Kevin Martin, Red Hat
> "Accelerated Indirect GLX" - Kristian Høgsberg, Red Hat
> "A preview of the GNOME compositing manager" - Søren Sandmann
>
> Pedersen, Red Hat
>
> Promising, isn't it? I hope we can get it webcasted as past years.
>
> Salu2
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very interesting indeed ;) i guess lots of users cant wait to get the
latest eye candy tech news ;))

regards,
Rudolf Kastl

[David Nielsen]

man, 06 02 2006 kl. 06:58 +0100, skrev Fernando Herrera:
> On 2/4/06, Benjy Grogan  wrote:
> > Alright.  Thanks for the info.  I'm looking forward to some of these future
> > X technologies.  Is there a good source of information somewhere about the
> > architecture of X11 R7.0?  As well as some of these technologies being
> > developed by RedHat and Sun?  At the moment I'm only aware of Novell's work
> > on X.
>
> Don't miss XDevConf 2006 starting on Wed. Some highlights:
> "Xgl" - David Reveman, Novell
> "Avalon" - Matthias Hopf
> "Status Update on Project Looking Glass" - Deron Johnson, Sun
> "Development Challenges for X and GL" - Kevin Martin, Red Hat
> "Accelerated Indirect GLX" - Kristian Høgsberg, Red Hat
> "A preview of the GNOME compositing manager" - Søren Sandmann
>
> Pedersen, Red Hat

Does anyone know if there will be streams or captured videos of the
XDevConf talks?

- David

[David Nielsen]

man, 06 02 2006 kl. 10:35 +0100, skrev David Nielsen:
> Does anyone know if there will be streams or captured videos of the
> XDevConf talks?

Answering myself:

http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XDevConf/Cambridge2005

[Benjy Grogan]

There are some cool Xgl demos at http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/

Benji

On 2/6/06, David Nielsen  wrote:
> man, 06 02 2006 kl. 10:35 +0100, skrev David Nielsen:
> > Does anyone know if there will be streams or captured videos of the
> > XDevConf talks?
>
> Answering myself:
>
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XDevConf/Cambridge2005
>
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[Zoltan Boszormenyi]

Hi,

Benjy Grogan írta:
> There are some cool Xgl demos at http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
>
> Benji

And the whole presentation of the XDevConf talk, without sound:
http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi
Pretty impressive, too. I liked the task switcher with live thumbnails best.

Best regards,
Zoltán Böszörményi

[Benjy Grogan]

On 2/1/06, Mike A. Harris  wrote:
> Benjy Grogan wrote:
> > I hear that in a week or so Novell will be releasing the source code to
> > XGL for X11 7.0.  Will it be possible to have XGL available in Extras
> > for FC5?  I'm guessing it's one of those new X11 modules that v7.0 is
> > all about.  But I know little about XGL and would like to test it out to
> > know more.  It's going to be in NLD 10 in a few months.
>
> There are a lot of X related "goodies" that are up and coming in the
> X development world, including technologies being developed by Red Hat,
> Novell, Sun, and various others in the community.  The current plan for
> Fedora Core 5, is to ship X11R7.0 as the official X implementation,
> including the Xorg X server.
>
> The various developmental/experimental technologies being developed
> by the above parties will most likely be available to Fedora users in
> one form or another over time, however everything is quite experimental
> at the current point in time to make any solid speculation for the
> inclusion of other components into Fedora Core 5 at this time.

Maybe Fedora could do something like was done with SELinux?  Where it was
available in FC2 but not by default.  In an update for X11 from 7.0 to
7.1for FC5 the Xgl branch could be included along with instructions on
how to
enable it.  This is how Novell will be introducing Xgl to it's NLD10
distribution.  It seems like a good way to get Xgl tested early and it's the
perfect place for it to take place, in Fedora.

I'm eager to see how Xgl works. :)  And then I guess compiz would be the
next request.  ;)

Benji

[Rudolf Kastl]

2006/2/10, Benjy Grogan :
> On 2/1/06, Mike A. Harris  wrote:
> > Benjy Grogan wrote:
> > > I hear that in a week or so Novell will be releasing the source code to
> > > XGL for X11 7.0.  Will it be possible to have XGL available in Extras
> > > for FC5?  I'm guessing it's one of those new X11 modules that v7.0 is
> > > all about.  But I know little about XGL and would like to test it out to
> > > know more.  It's going to be in NLD 10 in a few months.
> >
> > There are a lot of X related "goodies" that are up and coming in the
> > X development world, including technologies being developed by Red Hat,
> > Novell, Sun, and various others in the community.  The current plan for
> > Fedora Core 5, is to ship X11R7.0 as the official X implementation,
> > including the Xorg X server.
> >
> > The various developmental/experimental technologies being developed
> > by the above parties will most likely be available to Fedora users in
> > one form or another over time, however everything is quite experimental
> > at the current point in time to make any solid speculation for the
> > inclusion of other components into Fedora Core 5 at this time.
>
> Maybe Fedora could do something like was done with SELinux?  Where it was
> available in FC2 but not by default.  In an update for X11 from 7.0 to 7.1
> for FC5 the Xgl branch could be included along with instructions on how to
> enable it.  This is how Novell will be introducing Xgl to it's NLD10
> distribution.  It seems like a good way to get Xgl tested early and it's the
> perfect place for it to take place, in Fedora.
>
> I'm eager to see how Xgl works. :)  And then I guess compiz would be the
> next request.  ;)
> Benji
>
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would be pretty sweet. composite is dealt with the same way...
disabled by default but "available" ;)

regards,
Rudolf Kastl

p.s. if its an optional setting and isnt yet perfect i see it as
rather uncritical and bugreports keep on flowing. ;)

[Igor Jagec]

Benjy Grogan wrote:
> Maybe Fedora could do something like was done with SELinux?  Where it
> was available in FC2 but not by default.  In an update for X11 from 7.0
> to 7.1 for FC5 the Xgl branch could be included along with instructions
> on how to enable it.  This is how Novell will be introducing Xgl to it's
> NLD10 distribution.  It seems like a good way to get Xgl tested early
> and it's the perfect place for it to take place, in Fedora.

I agree. I would also like to see how it works. It would be very nice to
have that feature in FC5.

[Lamont R. Peterson]

On Friday 10 February 2006 08:48am, Igor Jagec wrote:
> Benjy Grogan wrote:
> > Maybe Fedora could do something like was done with SELinux?  Where it
> > was available in FC2 but not by default.  In an update for X11 from 7.0
> > to 7.1 for FC5 the Xgl branch could be included along with instructions
> > on how to enable it.  This is how Novell will be introducing Xgl to it's
> > NLD10 distribution.  It seems like a good way to get Xgl tested early
> > and it's the perfect place for it to take place, in Fedora.
>
> I agree. I would also like to see how it works. It would be very nice to
> have that feature in FC5.

+1 here.