Lars wrote:
somehow ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-0.1.i386.rpm is 99megs big! hmmm... anyone tried it?
L
Neal D. Becker wrote:
i have noticed it today. it's a problem on local build machine. new KDE rpms will be uploaded on ftp.kde.org for fc2 today.
Than
kool, thanks! :)
cheers lars
Than Ngo wrote:
Lars wrote:
somehow ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-0.1.i386.rpm is 99megs big! hmmm... anyone tried it?
i have noticed it today. it's a problem on local build machine. new KDE rpms will be uploaded on ftp.kde.org for fc2 today.
Than
Lars schrieb:
kool, thanks! :)
cheers lars
Than Ngo wrote:
Lars wrote:
somehow ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-0.1.i386.rpm is 99megs big! hmmm... anyone tried it?
i have noticed it today. it's a problem on local build machine. new KDE rpms will be uploaded on ftp.kde.org for fc2 today.
Than
will kde 3.3.1 be in fc3 or it is to late now?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide. would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only, so this version update was vetoed. Than Ngo wants to have kde 3.3.1 rpm packages for FC3 available from kde.org.
greetings,
Florian La Roche
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Florian La Roche wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide. would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only, so this version update was vetoed. Than Ngo wants to have kde 3.3.1 rpm packages for FC3 available from kde.org.
Just to reinforce Florian's point - KDE 3.3.1 packages will definitely be available _for_ FC3 even if they are not _in_ FC3. These packages are likely to be one of the first updates available for FC3 after its release.
-- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches.
Florian La Roche laroche@redhat.com writes:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide. would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only, so this version update was vetoed. Than Ngo wants to have kde 3.3.1 rpm packages for FC3 available from kde.org.
3.3.1 is pure bug-fixing. But why should I rant about it, I more and more get the impression that Fedora tries its best to produce the worst possible experience for KDE users.
Frank Schmitt wrote:
3.3.1 is pure bug-fixing. But why should I rant about it, I more and more get the impression that Fedora tries its best to produce the worst possible experience for KDE users.
What makes you think that? Of late, IMHO, RedHat/Fedora has been doing a fabulous job with KDE, so I'd be interested in hearing how you think their effort is lacking. You even go as far as implying they purposely make KDE bad, which is, also IMO, uncalled for.
-- Rex
Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu writes:
Frank Schmitt wrote:
3.3.1 is pure bug-fixing. But why should I rant about it, I more and more get the impression that Fedora tries its best to produce the worst possible experience for KDE users.
What makes you think that? Of late, IMHO, RedHat/Fedora has been doing a fabulous job with KDE, so I'd be interested in hearing how you think their effort is lacking. You even go as far as implying they purposely make KDE bad, which is, also IMO, uncalled for.
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0 -It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional RPM like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia. -Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as the SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually -kdemultimedia has random applications disabled without stating a reason for this anywhere. Juk or Amarok, I don't recall exactly, in KDE 3.2 and 3.3.0, koncd in 3.3.1 -Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2 -KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first updates", meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I downloaded Core 3.
Frank Schmitt ich@Frank-Schmitt.net writes:
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
3.3.0
In general I agree that using KDE on fedora is a bit spotty, it's been better than other distros in my opinion. only better KDE experience is the kde-redhat packages. perhaps the two projects could work together for everybody's benefit?
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional RPM like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia.
as I use the KDE distro from the above, I can't go either way on this one.
-Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as the SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
that's a bug. RPM by design is supposed to use pristine sources. if it doesn't, you should file a bug.
-kdemultimedia has random applications disabled without stating a reason for this anywhere. Juk or Amarok, I don't recall exactly, in KDE 3.2 and 3.3.0, koncd in 3.3.1
I'll go with you on this. Juk is the app. Rhythmbox is a very capable replacement, but still looks a bit out of place.
-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
Attached are two files, put them in your /etc/pam.d directory. I found that on Google.
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first updates", meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I downloaded Core 3.
I can only imagine that's a testing thing.
Richard June rjune@bravegnuworld.com writes:
In general I agree that using KDE on fedora is a bit spotty, it's been better than other distros in my opinion. only better KDE experience is the kde-redhat packages. perhaps the two projects could work together for everybody's benefit?
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:34, Frank Schmitt wrote:
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
Pure FUD.
Jeff Pitman symbiont@berlios.de writes:
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:34, Frank Schmitt wrote:
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
Pure FUD.
No, experience. I installed the kde-redhat packages on my playground-box, after some days there was an upgrade to gtk in the Fedora updates repositories which horrible brake things. I sweared like a trooper, spent an hour deleting all the kde-redhat packages and reinstalling the Fedora packages and decided it was a "tried once, rated as bad" experience.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 12:29:27PM +0200, Frank Schmitt wrote:
Jeff Pitman symbiont@berlios.de writes:
No, experience. I installed the kde-redhat packages on my playground-box, after some days there was an upgrade to gtk in the Fedora updates repositories which horrible brake things. I sweared like a trooper, spent an hour deleting all the kde-redhat packages and reinstalling the Fedora packages and decided it was a "tried once, rated as bad" experience.
Did you checked the mailing list. The different question are answered quickly, usually within the same day, and also there other queries related with the problem you had.
Frank Schmitt wrote:
Jeff Pitman symbiont@berlios.de writes:
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:34, Frank Schmitt wrote:
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
Pure FUD.
No, experience. I installed the kde-redhat packages on my playground-box, after some days there was an upgrade to gtk in the Fedora updates repositories which horrible brake things.
FYI, packaging bug (unowned files) were to blame (rh bug #135723)
-- Rex
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:34:42AM +0200, Frank Schmitt wrote:
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next.
The first point is no longer a problem, those dependencies have been removed for 3.3.1.
The second problem regarding problems updating from one Fedora release to the other is unknown. But even if related is possible due to the remark above it should not be a problem.
Some of the packages that are there are packages that are also on fedora.us with the same maintainer.
Further on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
This is FUD in its best form. I assume that you don't trust fedora.us either then, since Rex Dieter has some packages there. Also you Rex tried to push all the packages to fedora.us (Extras some day).
Regarding the response to problems Rex is one of the more responsive packagers I have seen, if there is a problem he answers the same day, testing and applying patches to fix any possible security problem. He tracks the upstream channels and during the last two years using packages from his repository I have never seen other behaviour that could be described as less than professional.
I would not advise anyone to download random packages from the net and installing them without trusting the packagers. The problem, at least to me, is that your sentence seems to imply more than that. And that is simply not true.
José Abílio Oliveira Matos jamatos@fc.up.pt writes:
Further on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
This is FUD in its best form. I assume that you don't trust fedora.us either then, since Rex Dieter has some packages there. Also you Rex tried to push all the packages to fedora.us (Extras some day).
Regarding the response to problems Rex is one of the more responsive packagers I have seen, if there is a problem he answers the same day, testing and applying patches to fix any possible security problem. He tracks the upstream channels and during the last two years using packages from his repository I have never seen other behaviour that could be described as less than professional.
I would not advise anyone to download random packages from the net and installing them without trusting the packagers. The problem, at least to me, is that your sentence seems to imply more than that. And that is simply not true.
Sorry. I definitely didn't want to say that the packagers from kde-redhat don't know what they are doing. All I wanted to say is, that I don't know if the kde-redhat packages are of good quality, because I've used them only for some days.
Frank Schmitt (ich@Frank-Schmitt.net) said:
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
Oddly, there were no Core 2 packages for GNOME 2.8 either.
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional RPM like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia.
That's due to kdemultimedia's architecture. To the best of my knowledge, packaging an addon for it is impossible, just because of the way that it's coded.
-Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as the SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
mp3 code won't be shipped... this includes source.
Bill
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 23:56 +0200, Frank Schmitt wrote:
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first updates", meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I downloaded Core 3.
Development freeze is that: a freeze. Which means among other things in general no new upstream versions as they could break more things than they would fix.
Nils
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
All an issue of resources and timing. As somebody else wrote, 3.3.1 is now available.
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional RPM like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia. -Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as the SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
Something we cannot change from engineering. Too bad we cannot ship mp3.
-kdemultimedia has random applications disabled without stating a reason for this anywhere. Juk or Amarok, I don't recall exactly, in KDE 3.2 and 3.3.0, koncd in 3.3.1
This is normally only done if they don't work.
-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
Send in patches and I am sure Than Ngo will add them. Probably also a bug in original kde sources or something broken in the RH packaged ones?
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first updates", meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I downloaded Core 3.
Right, that is a real pain. I would have personally moved kde in as this is a real bug-fix release, but now it has to go out as an update release.
Thanks for your report and I hope you do enjoy KDE as packaged from us,
Florian La Roche
Florian La Roche wrote:
-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
Send in patches and I am sure Than Ngo will add them. Probably also a bug in original kde sources or something broken in the RH packaged ones?
FYI, it's already fixed in rawhide (and fc2t3 I believe)
-- Rex
Florian La Roche wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide. would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only, so this version update was vetoed.
I wonder how/why evolution-2.0.2 made it in then.
-- Rex