hardlink error installing kernel-devel (still)
by Neal Becker
Installing: kernel-devel ##################### [ 45/125]
hardlink: hardlink: no version information available (required by hardlink)
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hardlink: hardlink: no version information available (required by hardlink)
hardlink: symbol lookup error: hardlink: undefined symbol: stderr, version
GLIBC_2.2.5
18 years, 11 months
Re: OT: nVidia driver [was: Wish list] -- understanding the GPU market
by Bryan Smith
Matrox has been proprietary.
ATI is now proprietary.
The XFree86 4.0+ model introduced a loadable module option, which
allowed binary drivers.
nVidia just adds some kernel memory and AGPgart interfaces.
Until recently, those were Intel "trade secrets" nVidia could not
disclose.
As far as the unified driver, Matrox, nVidia and now ATI have the
same issue, Intel, Microsoft and a host of other companies' lawyers
would have a field day if they were GPL'd.
ATI should be commended for attempting to make a "clean room" DRI/
GLX implementation. But eventually they had to give in, and started
withholding specifications as of R300 (Radeon 9500+). And even before,
many 2D and 3D interfaces were _never_ published by ATI.
What really gets to me here is the _real_market_conditions_ involved.
We're not talking about a product that is released and modern for 2-5
years. We're talking about a product that is _obsolete_ in less than
_12_months_!
GPUs double in speed 2-3 times faster than CPUs. The drivers are
under development alongside engineering under NDA, and that's not
going to change. If they opened up the driver model, then they'd
still either need to A) have you sign a NDA, or B) you'll see
drivers for Linux come out some 6+ months _after_ release.
I think there are lessons to be learned from ATI's prior attempts.
In reality, we're still talking an "open standard" in GLX, with
ARB extensions and in a few cases, yes, some GPU-specific extensions
(that get rolled into ARB much faster than DirectX where many
_never_ become part of the spec).
The concept that leading-edge video drivers will _ever_ be GPL is
very slim-to-none. And as far as the license, the drivers are
unified, and written for _all_ platforms, so there is the argument
that they do not require Linux (and Linus' comments have been used
similarly for justifying binary-only WLAN objects).
In reality, yes, I'd like to see nVidia's memory interfaces in the
kernel GPL'd. And now that the _standard_ PCI-Express is here from
the PCI Standards Group (AGP was _never_ a standard, but an Intel
trade secret of PCI), I hope Intel takes off some chains on nVidia.
But there is just too much IP involved, and too many NDAs. GPUs
are far, far, _far_ more complex than even CPUs these days -- and
the IP in the software even more so and closely tied.
There is some open source GLX code out there for both ATI and nVidia
-- but you're _never_ going to get the "cutting edge" under the model.
--
Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith(a)ieee.org
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18 years, 11 months
question about RedHat/Fedora and the GPL
by condition terminal
OK, firstly, I am sorry if I am miss understanding the text of the GPL.
The part I am questioning is this:
---QUOTE---
complete source code means all the source code for all modules it
contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the
scripts used to control compilation and installation of the
executable.
--END--QUOTE---
should this not mean that the likes of "beehive" be distributed?
Beehive is used to create and build the entire distro, including but
not limited too GPL based software.
I only ask since I have been looking around and many comments have
been that RH will not release it and people are told to go use mach
etc.
The same applies to the scripts for building the ISOs. I have seen
examples of what people have been doing, but no comment form
RH/Fedora.
Am I barking up the wrong tree and completely missing the point?
ta.
18 years, 11 months
Re: OT: nVidia driver [was: Wish list]
by Bryan Smith
From: Paul Iadonisi <pri.rhl4(a)iadonisi.to>
> I recall an analogous example from about four years ago. I went to
> work for a small (6 or 7 people) software development firm. I was a
> sysadmin, but played kind of a dual role as backend developer as well.
> I can remember several conversations about what SDK to choose for our
> next feature set and constantly trying to explain to these rather
> uninformed developers of all the available free (many LGPL, so no real
> legal issues there) libraries out there to do what they wanted. It
> seemed that the immediate response to the question of 'we need a
> development SDK' was, 'who can we buy/license one from'. My first
> reaction, of course, was to hop over to sourceforge, freshmeat, and
> finally google to find something that did what they wanted, often
> finding better alternatives to the closed ones they wanted to pay an arm
> and a leg for.
> After a few months of this, I actually had one of the developers
> converted over to the idea of Free Software, and another one amazed at
> how much Free Software there was out there.
> nVidia chose it's path, and, yes, it's hard to reverse that now.
But you're talking about picking an arbitrary library/SDK for a purpose
where the API may radically differ between the open source and the
proprietary source versions.
nVidia is _already_supporting_ OpenGL on X11 (GLX). That's the whole
reason many of us had to adopt nVidia in the first place! Because it
was the only damn viable hardware solution for Linux! @-ppp
People aren't picking "nVidia-only" application. They are picking
nVidia to run those _open_standard_ applications on nVidia hardware for
now. They are _not_ tying themselves into nVidia-only applications.
I think that's the point I keep seeing people miss. And why the whole
"open" v. "proprietary" can be demonized to make anyone's argument stick
to whatever ideal they want.
Me? I'm more interested in using Freedomware where it's viable, and
sticking with Standardware that still mitigates risk when it doesn't.
> On a related note, I don't know what this whole Fedora Foundation news
> is about specifically, but I do hope one thing. And that is that the
> Fedora principle of producing a distribution that is completely
> redistributable (both source and binary) without permission from some
> external third party remains an important goal. There aren't many
> distributions out there that stick to that goal. Debian is really the
> only one I can think of, at the moment, and I don't want to go there.
And I'll be the first to 100% agree.
I don't recommend people use nVidia drivers.
But I really hate seeing _both_sides_ go at it with *0* understanding
and all sorts of _unrelated_ "open" non-sense. Like talking about
proprietary libraries, when we're talking just hardware and drivers that
does _open_standard_ GLX!
If I choose nVidia's hardware to run my GLX applications, then I'm _not_
tying myself to nVidia. I'm only tying myself to GLX applications!
> But it's an important goal for me, and I suspect most of the old timers
> here on these lists (fedora-devel and fedora-test specifically). To me,
> it gives credence to the likes of SCO if we produce something that is
> not entirely redistributable, but then go ahead and redistribute it
> later. I don't know the nVidia driver license, but if we go down that
> path, I fear that we will be stepping onto a slippery slope. (Yes, I do
> see that no one's talking about shipping the nVidia driver, but even
> kowtowing to their whims, or slowness in keeping is going to do nothing
> but slow us down.)
It's not about nVidia. It's about realizing that what nVidia is sell is
_not_ a "proprietary" solution that only works with "proprietary"
applications. It is GLX, and it is an open standard.
It's like chastizing someone who uses Macromedia Standardware
applications to produce 100% W3C standards-compliant sites instead of
Freedomware applications. You may choose not to use Macromedia, but
many of us are very aware of the risks involved, but we have mitigated
those risks by sticking with a vendor who releases software that
supports open standards, or only using that software in those modes.
If there _was_ a Freedomware solution that offered a similar, _viable_
capability, we would. But don't lump us into the same category as
someone who blindly uses Frontpage. Which is what I meant about the who
"there are only 2 absolutes" non-sense.
To me, it's not about some ideology, although that does come into play.
It's about balancing feasibility against risk.
--
Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith(a)ieee.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------
It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you
to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them
will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below
them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele-
mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism.
So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;->
18 years, 11 months
rawhide report: 20050608 changes
by Build System
New package dhcdbd
DHCP D-BUS daemon (dhcdbd) controls dhclient sessions with D-BUS, stores and presents DHCP options.
Removed package w3c-libwww
Updated Packages:
fetchmail-6.2.5-8
-----------------
* Tue Jun 07 2005 Miloslav Trmac <mitr(a)redhat.com> - 6.2.5-8
- Fix APOP and RPOP (#127315)
- Don't link to libdl
gedit-1:2.10.2-5
----------------
* Tue Jun 07 2005 Ray Strode <rstrode(a)redhat.com> 1:2.10.2-5
- Dont pass user input as format specifiers to
gtk_message_dialog_new (bug 159657).
gstreamer-plugins-0.8.9-1
-------------------------
* Tue Jun 07 2005 John (J5) Palmieri <johnp(a)redhat.com> - 0.8.9-1
- update to upstream 0.8.9
- disable spc support
- Add requirement for cairo-devel
- Add freeze, video4linuxradio, and wavpack plugins
parted-1.6.22-3
---------------
* Tue Jun 07 2005 Chris Lumens <clumens(a)redhat.com> 1.6.22-3
- Modified Apple_Free patch to take care of the case where the partitions
are unnamed, causing many errors to be printed (#159047).
tcpdump-14:3.8.2-13
-------------------
* Tue Jun 07 2005 Martin Stransky <stransky(a)redhat.com> - 14:3.8.2-13
- fix for CAN-2005-1267 - BGP DoS, #159209
texinfo-4.8-5
-------------
* Tue Jun 07 2005 Tim Waugh <twaugh(a)redhat.com> 4.8-5
- Ship texi2pdf (bug #147271).
18 years, 11 months
Firstboot: Module to add other OS partitions' entry to fstab
by Prasad H.L.
Hi,
I'm using Fedora Core 3.
I've developed a firstboot python module which can
detect other OS(currently only windows) partitions and
add entries to the fstab. It also creates a user group
which has access to those partitions.
The version of firstboot is 1.3.33-2.
I would like to know whether the firstboot developers
are interested in seeing and using it in future
releases of Fedora. If so, I'll send the module as an
E-mail attachment.
With regards,
Prasad H.L.
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18 years, 11 months
Where is "comps" in the CVS?
by Roozbeh Pournader
I can't find the directory for the "comps" package in the Fedora CVS.
Where is it?
roozbeh
18 years, 11 months
rawhide report: 20050609 changes
by Build System
New package aspell-ru
Russian dictionaries for Aspell.
New package hplip
HP Linux Imaging and Printing Project
Removed package VFlib2
Removed package hpoj
Removed package hpijs
Updated Packages:
dbus-0.33-4
-----------
* Sat Jun 18 2005 John (J5) Palmieri <johnp(a)redhat.com> - 0.33-4
- Add new libaudit patch from Steve Grub and enable in configure
(Bug #159218)
fonts-japanese-0.20050222-4
---------------------------
* Thu Jun 09 2005 Akira TAGOH <tagoh(a)redhat.com> - 0.20050222-4
- removed VFlib2 dependency.
ghostscript-8.15-0.rc3.2
------------------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Tim Waugh <twaugh(a)redhat.com> 8.15-0.rc3.2
- Drop 'Provides: libijs.so' because it is incorrect.
- Build igcref.c with -O0 to work around bug #150771.
- Renumber patches.
hdparm-6.1-1
------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Karsten Hopp <karsten(a)redhat.de> 6.1-1
- update to 6.1 (BLKGETSIZE fixes)
- work around hdparm's usage of kernel headers, assume
that we run it on little-endian machines only
libuser-0.53.8-1
----------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Miloslav Trmac <mitr(a)redhat.com> - 0.53.8-1
- Permit "portable" user and group names as defined by SUSv3, plus trailing $
(#159452)
- Don't build static libraries
oprofile-0.9-1
--------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Will Cohen <wcohen(a)redhat.com>
- Rebase on OProfile 0.9.
pilot-link-1:0.12.0-0.pre3.1
----------------------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com> 0.12.0-0.pre3.1
- apply patch to fix compiler warnings
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com> 0.12.0-0.pre3.0
- 0.12.0-pre3
selinux-policy-strict-1.23.18-2
-------------------------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> 1.23.18-2
- Add alsa policy
- Policy cleanup from Ivan
* Mon Jun 06 2005 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> 1.23.18-1
- Upgrade from NSA
* Merged minor fixes to pppd.fc and courier.te by Russell Coker.
* Removed devfsd policy as suggested by Russell Coker.
* Merged patch from Dan Walsh. Includes beginnings of Ivan
Gyurdiev's Font Config policy. Don't transition to fsadm_t from
unconfined_t (sysadm_t) in targeted policy. Add support for
debugfs in modutil. Allow automount to create and delete
directories in /root and /home dirs. Move can_ypbind to
chkpwd_macro.te. Allow useradd to create additional files and
types via the skell mechanism. Other minor cleanups and fixes.
* Sat May 28 2005 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> 1.23.17-4
- Add evolution/thunderbird support for strict policy. Including
break out of orbits, fonts, and gnome. All done by Ivan G.
selinux-policy-targeted-1.23.18-2
---------------------------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> 1.23.18-2
- Add alsa policy
- Policy cleanup from Ivan
* Mon Jun 06 2005 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> 1.23.18-1
- Upgrade from NSA
* Merged minor fixes to pppd.fc and courier.te by Russell Coker.
* Removed devfsd policy as suggested by Russell Coker.
* Merged patch from Dan Walsh. Includes beginnings of Ivan
Gyurdiev's Font Config policy. Don't transition to fsadm_t from
unconfined_t (sysadm_t) in targeted policy. Add support for
debugfs in modutil. Allow automount to create and delete
directories in /root and /home dirs. Move can_ypbind to
chkpwd_macro.te. Allow useradd to create additional files and
types via the skell mechanism. Other minor cleanups and fixes.
* Sat May 28 2005 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> 1.23.17-4
- Add evolution/thunderbird support for strict policy. Including
break out of orbits, fonts, and gnome. All done by Ivan G.
system-config-netboot-0.1.17-1
------------------------------
* Wed Jun 08 2005 Jason Vas Dias <jvdias(a)redhat.com> 0.1.17-1
- fix bugs 159490, 159390, 159064, 156274
18 years, 11 months
Can sash be moved into Extras
by Jef Spaleta
I know its tiny... but in the spirit of removing duplication.. is
there a reason to have both sash and busybox in Core come fc5?
-jef
18 years, 11 months
Wish list
by MIKE LURK
This is my wish list for Fedora Core.
1. download and install from cd or dvd (this already works 99.9% of the
time, depending on hardware)
2. Ease of use, ( not for a new Linux user, but getting there)
3. Easy to install new software, (not quite, but very close).
Oh what the hell, Linux will not go anywhere until the hardware
manufacturers will give the end user the option and support for Linux
(be it Fedora, Mandrake, Suse or any other flavour of Linux). As it
stands now Windows (yuck) is the only option. Who says there is no
monopoly on the OS that is installed on, lets say a Dell for arguments
sake, a Notebook. Try to purchase a notebook with no OS, impossible.
About the only way to do that is to buy a build your own desktop PC and
be damned with the likes of Dell, HP/Compaq, and Sony, as well as
others.
Sorry for the ranting and raving, but Linux is the best OS out there, my
choice is Fedora Core, and Windose is the only choice for end users,
poor them. How many people actually know that there is an alternative OS
besides Windose. None, nobody, nada, ziltch. No one promotes it in any
way.
On that note that is my biggest wish, PROMOTE LINUX.
18 years, 11 months
