Re: more updates discussion
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:38:38 +0100
François Cami <fdc-lists(a)fcami.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Kevin Kofler
> <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at> wrote:
> > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >> So, there are no folks in the KDE sig using F13 anymore?
> >>
> >> Perhaps call for testers in the users / kde lists?
> >
> > I think this issue goes far, far beyond just KDE. There are
> > packages which have few users even for Fedora n, let alone n-1.
>
> That may be pure speculation, but it seems that Fedora contributors
> testing updates only use Fedora n because they tend to upgrade as soon
> as the next release is available. We have a few choices, including:
> * actively deciding that n-1 will receive less updates than n (good, I
> think, because the worst kinks should be hammered out of a distro in 6
> months anyway, so that leaves more or less security).
> * pushing updates for n-1 no matter what testing they've had (bad).
> Any other option I haven't thought of?
Some more:
* Try and increase number of people testing N-1/N-2 updates.
a) Be more active about asking people to test new versions in support
channels (#fedora/users list/forums) and have an easy to understand
landing point for them on the wiki to find out more.
b) Try and solicit testers in area specific channels (kde lists,
proftpd users, etc). "Anyone here using X on fedora? here's how you can
help us out: ..."
c) Provide better test cases to allow casual users to test the updates
in vm's or the like.
Or add more test automation? We've already got a framework for that.
* Stop shipping N-2 / N-1 sooner. If no one is using them, why ship
them?
I mentioned that Fedora contributors who provide update feedback might
not be using n-1, that doesn't mean we don't have n-1 users.
Users who care enough about updates to send feedback probably also
upgrade every 6 months to run the latest version of stuff. Yet this is
not the case of the average user.
* focus on 'high/important' updates with what testing we
have. Would
need some way to note or mark them however.
Or move to security-only for n-1?