I've filed a bug[1] against wodim not burning dvds correctly. While browsing through another bug[2] on wodim, I came across this comment[3].
"wodim is completely unmaintained since May 6th 2007, don't expect to see any fixes anytime soon as long as Redhat continues to distribute wodim instead of the original software."
Can someone please clear this up?
Wodim is a creation of a hostile packaging person from Debian.
See: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html
for more information.
Let me give you some facts:
The fork did have less changes in the time between May 6th 2007 and today than the original source had in a lazy week.
In the same time, the original software had a sustained average putback rate of 3 changes per day. Since May 2006 50% of the code was replaced or added. There is more than 30% new code since then and many many new features and bug fixes. In contrary to the fork, the orogonal project carefully listenes to the bug reports from the users and and reported bugs are typically fixed within a few hours. This is why there are no known bugs in the original software and why there are more than 100 bugs (well known since January 2007) in the fork that are not fixed.
All known bugs in the fork will disappear if you just upgrade to recent original software.
Roman Rakus and others did verify many times that he is not interested in the problems of the users. Please ignore comments from people like Roman Rakus as he is involved in the attacks against the OpenSource Project cdrtools and thus not interested in a discussion about the backgrounds on why Redhat started to distribute the proken fork instead of the original software.
Jörg
Hey Joerg,
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 00:21 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
I've filed a bug[1] against wodim not burning dvds correctly. While browsing through another bug[2] on wodim, I came across this comment[3].
"wodim is completely unmaintained since May 6th 2007, don't expect to see any fixes anytime soon as long as Redhat continues to distribute wodim instead of the original software."
Can someone please clear this up?
Wodim is a creation of a hostile packaging person from Debian.
See: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html
for more information.
Let me give you some facts:
The fork did have less changes in the time between May 6th 2007 and today than the original source had in a lazy week.
I guess it wasn't good enough for you to get booted out of the GNOME Bugzilla?
And please fix your mailer to respect threads.
Cheers
Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
I guess it wasn't good enough for you to get booted out of the GNOME Bugzilla?
Well, there are always some bad guys who don't like to see people who help users.
The person from the GNOME project just verified that he attacks people who are helpful. He does not seem to be important.
Jörg
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 01:21 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
I guess it wasn't good enough for you to get booted out of the GNOME Bugzilla?
Well, there are always some bad guys who don't like to see people who help users.
The person from the GNOME project just verified that he attacks people who are helpful. He does not seem to be important.
The person being Olav Vitters, one of the GNOME bugmasters, and that was at my request, after you polluted the GNOME Bugzilla with rants about your inadequately licensed software. Pur-lease.
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 02:06 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 01:21 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
I guess it wasn't good enough for you to get booted out of the GNOME Bugzilla?
Well, there are always some bad guys who don't like to see people who help users.
The person from the GNOME project just verified that he attacks people who are helpful. He does not seem to be important.
The person being Olav Vitters, one of the GNOME bugmasters, and that was at my request, after you polluted the GNOME Bugzilla with rants about your inadequately licensed software. Pur-lease.
hi folks,
Looks like another thread going the wrong way.
I just wanted to know if wodim is usable (i mean without wasting dvds like its doing currently for me). From the discussion, I feel it's still buggy and therefore I'm going to shift to another program (maybe growisofs).
Thank you all for your inputs :)
Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like another thread going the wrong way.
I just wanted to know if wodim is usable (i mean without wasting dvds like its doing currently for me). From the discussion, I feel it's still buggy and therefore I'm going to shift to another program (maybe growisofs).
Well, people like you who try to use the fork know that it is just having too many bugs for being useful. Please note that growisofs is not the solution for a wider problem: growisofs of course needs mkisofs and redhat does not ship a working mkisofs bug the broken "genisoimage".
Growisofs is also known to have problems with some DVD drives where cdrecord has no problem.
Jörg
Dne 3.11.2009 05:22, Ankur Sinha napsal(a):
I just wanted to know if wodim is usable (i mean without wasting dvds like its doing currently for me). From the discussion, I feel it's still buggy and therefore I'm going to shift to another program (maybe growisofs).
Yes, wodim is perfect. Joerg is just spreading FUD.
Matěj
W dniu 03.11.2009 11:37, Matěj Cepl pisze:
Dne 3.11.2009 05:22, Ankur Sinha napsal(a):
I just wanted to know if wodim is usable (i mean without wasting dvds like its doing currently for me). From the discussion, I feel it's still buggy and therefore I'm going to shift to another program (maybe growisofs).
Yes, wodim is perfect. Joerg is just spreading FUD.
Matěj
Ok, putting the ad personam arguments aside, there are two important facts: - cdrecord is still under active development, but there might be a problem with distributability (Sun lawyers say there is not, but I guess RH would like to make their own legal review to be on the safe side) - cdrkit is in sort of maintenance mode, and it does not support UDF filesystem for DVD discs correctly, and the situation is unlikely to improve - libburn is also developed actively, but it lacks UDF support as well [1] So, while waiting for libburn to improve, we could either take over cdrkit development, or do a(nother) legal review of cdrecord. It seems that the latter should be simpler, given that it's a one-time effort.
Julian
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Julian Sikorski belegdol@gmail.com wrote:
So, while waiting for libburn to improve, we could either take over cdrkit development, or do a(nother) legal review of cdrecord. It seems that the latter should be simpler, given that it's a one-time effort.
Already done around June: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.legal/473
Julian Sikorski belegdol@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, putting the ad personam arguments aside, there are two important facts:
- cdrecord is still under active development, but there might be a
problem with distributability (Sun lawyers say there is not, but I guess
There is no problem with distributibility as Sun would risk being sued if there legal department was wrong. I still do not understand why Companies like Redhat do not siply ask their lawyers for legal assistence. If they did, they would have better advise about cdrtools.
RH would like to make their own legal review to be on the safe side)
- cdrkit is in sort of maintenance mode, and it does not support UDF
filesystem for DVD discs correctly, and the situation is unlikely to improve
Cdrkit is unmaitained and has legal problems. Companies who distribute cdrkit ignore the legal problems and need to be aware of legal consequences.
- libburn is also developed actively, but it lacks UDF support as well [1]
So, while waiting for libburn to improve, we could either take over cdrkit development, or do a(nother) legal review of cdrecord. It seems that the latter should be simpler, given that it's a one-time effort.
Libburn is based on a wrong asumption: libburn only works partly on Linux in non-root mode and the vast majority of other OS needs root permissions to burn. Creating a burn library (well it is non-portable) based on these constraints will result in GUI applications that are non-portable and would require root permissions on most platforms. Installing a GUI suid root is an absolute no-go as GUIs are so compley that it is hard to audit the code for security problems.
Jörg
2009/11/3 Joerg Schilling Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de:
if there legal department was wrong. I still do not understand why Companies like Redhat do not siply ask their lawyers for legal assistence. If they did, they would have better advise about cdrtools.
Just a small thing that drives me crazy. The company name is "Red Hat" not Redhat. People don't write your name Joergschilling, do they? Thanks.
Richard.
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Libburn is based on a wrong asumption: libburn only works partly on Linux in non-root mode
Actually, burning as non-root works just fine on GNU/Linux.
and the vast majority of other OS needs root permissions to burn.
Those OSes are broken and need to be fixed.
Installing a GUI suid root is an absolute no-go as GUIs are so compley that it is hard to audit the code for security problems.
We know this very well. All the Fedora system-config-* tools are being more or less rewritten to use PolicyKit to only do the parts as root which need to run as root instead of running the whole GUI config tool as root. The same is happening with KDE's System Settings and the KAuth framework (which is based on PolicyKit on GNU/Linux).
But the point is that CD/DVD/BluRay burning does not and should not require root privileges at all!
Kevin Kofler
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Libburn is based on a wrong asumption: libburn only works partly on Linux in non-root mode
Actually, burning as non-root works just fine on GNU/Linux.
and the vast majority of other OS needs root permissions to burn.
Those OSes are broken and need to be fixed.
Installing a GUI suid root is an absolute no-go as GUIs are so compley that it is hard to audit the code for security problems.
We know this very well. All the Fedora system-config-* tools are being more or less rewritten to use PolicyKit to only do the parts as root which need to run as root instead of running the whole GUI config tool as root. The same is happening with KDE's System Settings and the KAuth framework (which is based on PolicyKit on GNU/Linux).
But the point is that CD/DVD/BluRay burning does not and should not require root privileges at all!
Kevin, please. Stop responding.
-sv
Mat??j Cepl mcepl@redhat.com wrote:
Dne 3.11.2009 05:22, Ankur Sinha napsal(a):
I just wanted to know if wodim is usable (i mean without wasting dvds like its doing currently for me). From the discussion, I feel it's still buggy and therefore I'm going to shift to another program (maybe growisofs).
Yes, wodim is perfect. Joerg is just spreading FUD.
And Earth is a disk.....
Jörg
Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
The person from the GNOME project just verified that he attacks people who are helpful. He does not seem to be important.
The person being Olav Vitters, one of the GNOME bugmasters, and that was at my request, after you polluted the GNOME Bugzilla with rants about your inadequately licensed software. Pur-lease.
Everybody can check the GNOME bugtracking system himself and verify that I have been banned for explaining the _technical_ background of a reported bug and for giving instructions on how to work around the problem.
It is obvious that Olav Vitters (and ayou??) made a social attack against an author of OpenSource software.
You are not very convincing.......
Jörg
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