Desktop issues discussion proposal

[Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT]

Well... it seems like we have some small issues in the future path of
the fedora core desktop (not only for fedora actually).
1) Menus. More is not the best solution, so it's out. We should try to
create a replacement, because in some situations the menus are
overwhelming.
2) How many applications doing the same thing do we need? Having too
many applications can be confusing. A new user (especially one that
comes from another OS or from an old Linux distribution version), would
be confused and might not make the optimal choice for his situation.
Think of how many music players we have, how many editors, how many mail
clients. Should all these be in the equivalent of the now deprecated
X-Red-Hat-Base? Should we even show all the applications we have
installed or just the popular ones? A Microsoft style hide unused
entries would be practical? Are there any other solutions, such as 2/3
level menu tree?

Try and suggest also some other QUESTIONS and a date for a virtual
meeting on irc to find/discuss answers to these. I don't recommend
answering these questions right here/now. An irc chat would be more
appropriate. Also if you want to have a chat on this, think of the time
differences around the world (I'm in GMT+2), because it's evening when
you guys have lunch, and it's waaaay past mid-night (closer to morning)
when it's evening for you.

These being said, I looking forward to a productive mind-storm on these
topic, and not only.

Best Regards,
Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT <razvan.vilt(a)linux360.ro&gt;
Digital Vision - linux360 - Vision Project Maintainer

[Bill Nottingham]

Razvan Corneliu C.R. d3vi1 VILT (razvan.vilt(a)linux360.ro) said: 
>  Well... it seems like we have some small issues in the future path
> of
>  the fedora core desktop (not only for fedora actually).
>  1) Menus. More is not the best solution, so it's out. We should try to
>  create a replacement, because in some situations the menus are
>  overwhelming.
>  2) How many applications doing the same thing do we need? Having too
>  many applications can be confusing. A new user (especially one that
>  comes from another OS or from an old Linux distribution version), would
>  be confused and might not make the optimal choice for his situation.
>  Think of how many music players we have, how many editors, how many mail
>  clients. Should all these be in the equivalent of the now deprecated
>  X-Red-Hat-Base? Should we even show all the applications we have
>  installed or just the popular ones? A Microsoft style hide unused
>  entries would be practical? Are there any other solutions, such as 2/3
>  level menu tree? 
This are related. The answer is generally to just move stuff out of
Core, and into Extras. Eventually, if the user explicitly decides
to install 20 mail clients, that's their own problem, but the default
OS install shouldn't do this to them, yes.

Bill

[Dan Williams]

There's also fedora-desktop-list, perhaps discussions like this would
work better there?  There's actually a discussion going on there right
now about the # of music players that are in our menus.

Dan

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  Razvan Corneliu C.R. d3vi1 VILT (razvan.vilt(a)linux360.ro) said: 
>  > Well... it seems like we have some small issues in the future path of
>  > the fedora core desktop (not only for fedora actually).
>  > 1) Menus. More is not the best solution, so it's out. We should try to
>  > create a replacement, because in some situations the menus are
>  > overwhelming.
>  > 2) How many applications doing the same thing do we need? Having too
>  > many applications can be confusing. A new user (especially one that
>  > comes from another OS or from an old Linux distribution version), would
>  > be confused and might not make the optimal choice for his situation.
>  > Think of how many music players we have, how many editors, how many mail
>  > clients. Should all these be in the equivalent of the now deprecated
>  > X-Red-Hat-Base? Should we even show all the applications we have
>  > installed or just the popular ones? A Microsoft style hide unused
>  > entries would be practical? Are there any other solutions, such as 2/3
>  > level menu tree?
>  
>  This are related. The answer is generally to just move stuff out of
>  Core, and into Extras. Eventually, if the user explicitly decides
>  to install 20 mail clients, that's their own problem, but the default
>  OS install shouldn't do this to them, yes.
>  
>  Bill
>  
>  
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