Versioning the Packaging Guidelines

[Alec Leamas]

Dear list,


There is an ongoing thread in debian-devel on their Standards-Version 
usage. Reading this, it strikes me that Fedora lacks this info.

The basic package lifecycle is that it is reviewed to current standards, 
and after that start lagging from the actual standards. To which extent 
depends on the maintainer.

Debian addresses this by actually versioning their guidelines, and 
tracking the last version checked in  the package. There are checklists 
how to update between each version of the standard.

Could we learn anything from this? Fedora is not a rolling distribution, 
but the guidelines are. Would it be a good idea to actually provide 
versions of the guidelines? To track the last version checked in the 
packages?

If not for anything else., it would certainly make the life of 
fedora-review maintainers easier. That said,  I'm turning a blind eye to 
the obvious technical hassles versioning a wiki.

Just my 5 öre


--alec

[gil]

Il 09/09/2016 14:13, Alec Leamas ha scritto:
>  Dear list,
>
>
>  There is an ongoing thread in debian-devel on their Standards-Version 
>  usage. Reading this, it strikes me that Fedora lacks this info.
>
>  The basic package lifecycle is that it is reviewed to current 
>  standards, and after that start lagging from the actual standards. To 
>  which extent depends on the maintainer.
>
>  Debian addresses this by actually versioning their guidelines, and 
>  tracking the last version checked in  the package. There are 
>  checklists how to update between each version of the standard.
>
>  Could we learn anything from this? Fedora is not a rolling 
>  distribution, but the guidelines are. Would it be a good idea to 
>  actually provide versions of the guidelines? To track the last version 
>  checked in the packages?
>
>  If not for anything else., it would certainly make the life of 
>  fedora-review maintainers easier. 
hi
to me it seems the opposite ...
regards
.g
>  That said,  I'm turning a blind eye to the obvious technical
> hassles 
>  versioning a wiki.
>
>  Just my 5 öre
>
>
>  --alec
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[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

W dniu 09.09.2016 o 14:25, gil pisze:
> > Could we learn anything from this? Fedora is not a rolling
> > distribution, but the guidelines are. Would it be a good idea to
> > actually provide versions of the guidelines? To track the last version
> > checked in the packages?
> >
> > If not for anything else., it would certainly make the life of
> > fedora-review maintainers easier. 
>  to me it seems the opposite ... 
As long time Debian user (who played with packaging too) I would say
that updating package to newest guidelines was described well in
guidelines changelog. Especially when package is well maintained it
often just meant "updated to latest standards. no changes required".

[Josh Boyer]

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Alec Leamas <leamas.alec(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Dear list,
>
>
>  There is an ongoing thread in debian-devel on their Standards-Version usage.
>  Reading this, it strikes me that Fedora lacks this info.
>
>  The basic package lifecycle is that it is reviewed to current standards, and
>  after that start lagging from the actual standards. To which extent depends
>  on the maintainer. 
Correct.  And the lag is really kind of the hard part.  To my
knowledge, there is still no group that actively reviews already
approved package for continued adherence to any version of the
guidelines.  There are good reasons for this, mostly stemming from
lack of review resources to begin with, but that means a review is a
one-time event for the bulk of the packages in Fedora.

>  Debian addresses this by actually versioning their guidelines, and
> tracking
>  the last version checked in  the package. There are checklists how to update
>  between each version of the standard.
>
>  Could we learn anything from this? Fedora is not a rolling distribution, but
>  the guidelines are. Would it be a good idea to actually provide versions of
>  the guidelines? To track the last version checked in the packages? 
I think these are ideas worth discussing, but you should probably
discuss them with the FPC directly.

>  If not for anything else., it would certainly make the life of
> fedora-review
>  maintainers easier. That said,  I'm turning a blind eye to the obvious
>  technical hassles versioning a wiki. 
It wouldn't be that difficult to pull it out of the wiki and into a
pagure.io repo that actually publishes things, etc.  Again a topic of
conversation for the FPC.  I would really suggest opening a ticket
with them.

josh

[Alec Leamas]

On 09/09/16 14:39, Josh Boyer wrote:
>  On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Alec Leamas
> <leamas.alec(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Dear list,
> >
> >
> > There is an ongoing thread in debian-devel on their Standards-Version usage.
> > Reading this, it strikes me that Fedora lacks this info.
> > 
> > It wouldn't be that difficult to pull it out of the wiki and
> into a
> > pagure.io repo that actually publishes things, etc.  Again a topic of
> > conversation for the FPC.  I would really suggest opening a ticket
> > with them.
> >
> > 
Done: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/646

Cheers!

--alec