Schedule for Mondays's FESCo Meeting (2020-04-13)

[Stephen Gallagher]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2020-04-13 15:00 UTC'


Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =

F33 System-Wide Change: GNU Make version 4.3
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2363
DECISION (+6, 0, -0)

F33 System-Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2362
DECISION (+3, 0, -0)

Fedora 33 System-Wide Change: MinGW environment and toolchain update
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2361
DECISION (+4, 0, -0)

= Followups =

#topic #2365 F33 System-Wide Change: ELN Buildroot and Compose
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2365

#topic #2364 F33 System-Wide Change: Introduce module Obsoletes and EOL
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2364

= New business =

N/A

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-04-13)

[Stephen Gallagher]

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Meeting started by sgallagh at 15:01:54 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-04-13/fesco.2020-...
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Meeting summary
- ---------------
* init process  (sgallagh, 15:01:54)

* #2365 F33 System-Wide Change: ELN Buildroot and Compose  (sgallagh,
  15:04:57)
  * this received +7 in the ticket, so it is accepted  (sgallagh,
    15:05:18)
  * AGREED: ELN Buildroot and Compose is accepted (+7, 1, -0)
    (sgallagh, 15:05:36)

* #2364 F33 System-Wide Change: Introduce module Obsoletes and EOL
  (sgallagh, 15:06:54)
  * AGREED: Delay this discussion for a week due to holiday in CZ.
    Questions will be posed to the devel-list.  (sgallagh, 15:12:44)

* Open Floor  (sgallagh, 15:12:57)
  * LINK:
    https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-infrastructure-tasks.html
    (bcotton, 15:23:24)
  * LINK: https://tinyurl.com/wanx75h   (dcantrell, 15:33:57)

* Next Week's Chair  (sgallagh, 15:35:08)
  * ACTION: mhroncok will chair the meeting of 2020-04-20  (sgallagh,
    15:36:24)
  * ACTION: bookwar will chair the meeting of 2020-04-27  (sgallagh,
    15:36:42)

Meeting ended at 15:37:20 UTC.




Action Items
- ------------
* mhroncok will chair the meeting of 2020-04-20
* bookwar will chair the meeting of 2020-04-27




Action Items, by person
- -----------------------
* bookwar
  * bookwar will chair the meeting of 2020-04-27
* mhroncok
  * mhroncok will chair the meeting of 2020-04-20
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* sgallagh (49)
* zodbot (17)
* nirik (15)
* bookwar (12)
* dcantrell (10)
* bcotton (6)
* decathorpe (4)
* adamw (1)
* ignatenkobrain (0)
* mhroncok (0)
* contyk (0)
* zbyszek (0)




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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-04-13)

[Kevin Kofler]

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  * #2365 F33 System-Wide Change: ELN Buildroot and Compose 
> (sgallagh,
>    15:04:57)
>    * this received +7 in the ticket, so it is accepted  (sgallagh,
>      15:05:18)
>    * AGREED: ELN Buildroot and Compose is accepted (+7, 1, -0)
>      (sgallagh, 15:05:36) 
So Fedora is now officially an alpha version of RHEL. :-(

        Kevin Kofler

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-04-13)

[Jared K. Smith]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:58 AM Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt;
wrote:

>  So Fedora is now officially an alpha version of RHEL. :-(
>  
Kevin, your comments like this are not helpful, and not in keeping with our
mantra of being excellent to each other.

As you're well aware, there's a cooperative relationship between Fedora and
RHEL.  Fedora serves as the upstream for RHEL, but that doesn't translate
into it being the alpha version of RHEL.  This ELN effort, from what I've
read about it (I haven't been a Red Hat insider for a long time, so I don't
have any non-public details about it) is aimed at making it easier for RHEL
to take advantage of the work done in Fedora, and even be more open about
the development.  I don't see how either of those are bad things, as long
as they don't pose a burden on Fedora developers.  From the discussions on
this mailing list, it looks like the team running the initiative has taken
great pains to clarify that they don't want to put any undue burden on
Fedora developers.

So, whether your agree with the decision that FESCo made or not, please
don't leave sniping comments like this -- they're not constructive.

--
Jared Smith

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-04-13)

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:48:56PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  So Fedora is now officially an alpha version of RHEL. :-( 
Fedora is a community that makes an free and open source operating system
platform. We enable our community members and other software developers to
build solutions for their users.

Fedora isn't an alpha version of anything, but there absolutely *is* room
within Fedora for building the software which will feed into the next
version of RHEL. (Definitely not a RHEL alpha version, because that's a
specific, different thing.)

This expands and builds on what we're doing as a project. Your statement
seems to belittle it, and I think that's exactly backwards.

And, let me extend this: anyone else who wants to come to Fedora and work
with us to build *their* open source operating system is welcome to, and we
as a project will figure out how to make space for that.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader
Not the Pope