Regarding Extras package announcements

[Warren Togami]

The old fedora-package-announce(a)fedora.us list has been broken in the 
past month due to some unknown issue caused by the Legacy 7.3 mailman 
update.  I have spent many hours trying to debug it, but have been 
unable to fix it.  I've been wanting to retire that old mailman server 
for a while now, but this forces the issue.

fedora-extras-announce-list(a)redhat.com will soon open, and will be used 
by fedora.us Extras for the short-term.  When Extras relaunches at 
fedora.redhat.com, the list will be used for those announcements.

This is no longer far away, as we have servers online NOW, gafton and I 
are working on CVS structure, and finalizing the Apache-like contributor 
legal form.  You will hear more about our progress within the next weeks 
here.

Unfortunately hundreds of mail sent to the old Extras announce list went 
into /dev/null due to the legacy mailman problem.  Sorry about that. =(

Warren Togami
wtogami(a)redhat.com

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[Stephen Smoogen]

Warren Togami wrote:

>  This is no longer far away, as we have servers online NOW, gafton and
> I 
>  are working on CVS structure, and finalizing the Apache-like contributor 
>  legal form.  You will hear more about our progress within the next weeks 
>  here. 
CONGRATS!!!!




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[Kyrre Ness Sjobak]

Hmm.. how will this be integrated with core?

CONGRATS!! - you have mine to :D

One thing i have always wondered about is why is fedora.us named _.US_
when many of the packages are there there just because they are
illegal/legaly questionable in the US?

man, 20.09.2004 kl. 21.26 skrev Stephen J Smoogen:
>  Warren Togami wrote:
>  
>  > This is no longer far away, as we have servers online NOW, gafton and I 
>  > are working on CVS structure, and finalizing the Apache-like contributor 
>  > legal form.  You will hear more about our progress within the next weeks 
>  > here.
>  
>  CONGRATS!!!!
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  -- 
>  Stephen John Smoogen	        | CCN-5 Security Team
>  LANL SIRT Team Leader           | SMTP:  smoogen(a)lanl.gov
>  Los Alamos National Laboratory  | Voice: 505.664.0645
>  Ta-03 SM-1498 MS: B255 DP 10S   | FAX:   [phone]
>  Los Alamos, NM 87545            |
>

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[Per Bjornsson]

On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 12:54, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:

>  One thing i have always wondered about is why is fedora.us named
> _.US_
>  when many of the packages are there there just because they are
>  illegal/legaly questionable in the US? 
There's _nothing_ at fedora.us that is deemed illegal or gray-zone in
the US. That stuff is all at rpm.livna.org since after the merge
announcement last fall.

/Per

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The real news Re: Regarding Extras package announcements

[Kyrre Ness Sjobak]

Okay - i did not know that. Make it easy, have as many repos as
possible...

But anyway, will there be an option (during install or something) to use
the extras repo?

--Kyrre

man, 20.09.2004 kl. 22.04 skrev Per Bjornsson:
>  On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 12:54, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  
>  > One thing i have always wondered about is why is fedora.us named _.US_
>  > when many of the packages are there there just because they are
>  > illegal/legaly questionable in the US?
>  
>  There's _nothing_ at fedora.us that is deemed illegal or gray-zone in
>  the US. That stuff is all at rpm.livna.org since after the merge
>  announcement last fall.
>  
>  /Per
>  
>  -- 
>  Per Bjornsson <perbj(a)stanford.edu&gt;
>  Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University
>

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[Warren Togami]

Per Bjornsson wrote:
>  On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 12:54, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  
>  
> >One thing i have always wondered about is why is fedora.us named _.US_
> >when many of the packages are there there just because they are
> >illegal/legaly questionable in the US?
>  
>  
>  There's _nothing_ at fedora.us that is deemed illegal or gray-zone in
>  the US. That stuff is all at rpm.livna.org since after the merge
>  announcement last fall.
>   
fedora.us was the shortest domain name available back when I was domain 
shopping.  I offered $1,000 cash to fedora.org back then, but they refused.

http://fedora.org/
Hmm, they changed away from the amusing annoying badger.

Warren Togami
wtogami(a)redhat.com

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[Sean Middleditch]

On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 21:54 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  Hmm.. how will this be integrated with core?
>  
>  CONGRATS!! - you have mine to :D
>  
>  One thing i have always wondered about is why is fedora.us named _.US_
>  when many of the packages are there there just because they are
>  illegal/legaly questionable in the US? 
fedora.us doesn't have any packages like that of which I'm aware.  Those
kinds of packages are found in repositories like livna.org.

The original reason for the .us top-level is probably just because
that's what was available.  Fedora is a dictionary word; finding a free
domain based on a dictionary word is nigh near impossible.
-- 
Sean Middleditch <elanthis(a)awesomeplay.com&gt;
AwesomePlay Productions, Inc.

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[Michel Salim]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:26:32 -0600, Stephen J Smoogen <smoogen(a)lanl.gov&gt; wrote:
>  Warren Togami wrote:
>  
>  > This is no longer far away, as we have servers online NOW, gafton and I
>  > are working on CVS structure, and finalizing the Apache-like contributor
>  > legal form.  You will hear more about our progress within the next weeks
>  > here.
>  
>  CONGRATS!!!!
>  
Can't wait myself.. here's to a smooth relaunch of Extras :)

-- 
Michel Salim 林智勇
http://salimma.livejournal.com

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:15:35 -1000, Warren Togami wrote:

>  fedora-extras-announce-list(a)redhat.com will soon open, and will be
> used 
>  by fedora.us Extras for the short-term.  When Extras relaunches at 
>  fedora.redhat.com, the list will be used for those announcements. 
Available meanwhile...

Maybe we can use the chance and discuss the announcements' content and
format, for sake of readability.

fedora-package-announce(a)fedora.us has been a bit confusing with its
free-form subject lines, message bodies, and various forms of GPG
signatures.

There's

  $ /usr/bin/fedora-pkgannfmt 
  Usage: fedora-pkgannfmt <rpm-file or name of an installed package>

in fedora-rpmdevtools, which prints a few RPM package headers and the
package changelog. Easy for preparing announcements. But it doesn't
know where to cut off the changelog and which target distributions the
package has been released for (fc1? FC1? rh9? RHL9?).

So, what and how do we announce? For reference, the _old_ list
archives are here: http://www.fedora.us/pipermail/fedora-package-announce/

Suggestions?
Do we care?

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[Matthias Saou]

Michael Schwendt wrote :

>  So, what and how do we announce? For reference, the _old_ list
>  archives are here:
>  http://www.fedora.us/pipermail/fedora-package-announce/
>  
>  Suggestions?
>  Do we care? 
I think this simply can't be answered until more is known about the Extras
process : Will the packages be pushed out individually or will there be
batches, for instance a daily one like Rawhide? (this makes it easier for
mirrors to keep up to date and consistent) Depending on the answer,
individual messages like for erratas will make more sense than a Rawhide
update style message or vice-versa.
As for the formatting, same thing, will it be sent by the packager (or
another individual, like the "moderator" that approved it) or by a build
system?

If questions like these are already answered somewhere, I don't know were,
and would be glad to have someone point me to those details.

Matthias

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[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:00:46 +0200, Matthias Saou wrote:

>  Michael Schwendt wrote :
>  
>  > So, what and how do we announce? For reference, the _old_ list
>  > archives are here:
>  > http://www.fedora.us/pipermail/fedora-package-announce/
>  > 
>  > Suggestions?
>  > Do we care?
>  
>  I think this simply can't be answered until more is known about the Extras
>  process : 
Maybe, maybe not. We're supposed to continue with fedora.us releases,
and since we have lost fedora-package-announce(a)fedora.us, there
haven't been any package announcements anymore.

>  As for the formatting, same thing, will it be sent by the packager
> (or
>  another individual, like the "moderator" that approved it) or by a build
>  system? 
If it could be automated, that would be very good, e.g. like "rawhide
report". So far, not every packager has posted announcements. The
list archives cover maybe 50% of the published packages and updates.
Maybe even less.
 
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