small bug in pup (package updater)

[Mark]

Hey,

i seem to be on a topic spree today..
anyway.. i rarely use pup because i want to see the download speeds for the
packages and want to abort them if needed + i want to see any possible
errors that occur.
now i just did a update and i noticed that pup isn`t refreshing itself to
see if there are newer updates or if another program took care of the
updates..

i know that you can manually refresh pup but wouldn`t it be better to auto
refresh pup once every 5 minutes?

and a pup suggestion.. could it be possible to show the yum output in pup
(with a expand arrow)?

this is (probably) my last topic today.
more bug hunting tomorrow.

Mark

[nodata]

Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 22:54 +0200 schrieb Mark:
> Hey,
>
> i seem to be on a topic spree today..
> anyway.. i rarely use pup because i want to see the download speeds
> for the packages and want to abort them if needed + i want to see any
> possible errors that occur.

Unix tools should keep quiet unless an error occurs.
If yum fails for some reason, you should know, either through an e-mail
or by some other means.

If you need to watch yum to make sure it works, you should consider
filing a bug to make it more noisy on errors.
> now i just did a update and i noticed that pup isn`t refreshing itself
> to see if there are newer updates or if another program took care of
> the updates..

pup won't notice a yum update. This needs to be bugzillaed.
> i know that you can manually refresh pup but wouldn`t it be better to
> auto refresh pup once every 5 minutes?

Security updates are released every 1440 minutes (daily),
Checking for updates every five minutes is overkill.
> and a pup suggestion.. could it be possible to show the yum output in
> pup (with a expand arrow)?

pup is aimed at making security updates simple for non-technical people.
A lot of technical people seem to want to make pup into a graphical yum,
which means we will later need yet another program that aims to be aimed
at non-technical people.
> this is (probably) my last topic today.
> more bug hunting tomorrow.
> Mark
>
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[Mark]

> Unix tools should keep quiet unless an error occurs.
> If yum fails for some reason, you should know, either through an e-mail
> or by some other means.
>
> If you need to watch yum to make sure it works, you should consider
> filing a bug to make it more noisy on errors.

i agree but i actually meant this also as  expand arrow.. actually the same
one as the one that i describe later on in the first post.
and i think you misunderstand me on all other points.

Security updates are released every 1440 minutes (daily),
> Checking for updates every five minutes is overkill.

that`s not what i mean.. when you run gnome and you see the update
notifications but you don`t use that to update.. instead you use a terminal
session to run all the updates. i think pup should be in same way be
notified of that or just check to see if there ware new updates (yum list
updates) or whatever.. there must be a way ^_^

look at this:
http://www.abclinuxu.cz/images/clanky/tesar/ubuntu_510_software_update_staho...
pup (while it`s updating) could look like that.. you will keep the user
friendly stuff and you add stuff that the more technical people want.
everyone happy

mark

2007/4/5, nodata :
> Am Donnerstag, den 05.04.2007, 22:54 +0200 schrieb Mark:
> > Hey,
> >
> > i seem to be on a topic spree today..
> > anyway.. i rarely use pup because i want to see the download speeds
> > for the packages and want to abort them if needed + i want to see any
> > possible errors that occur.
>
> Unix tools should keep quiet unless an error occurs.
> If yum fails for some reason, you should know, either through an e-mail
> or by some other means.
>
> If you need to watch yum to make sure it works, you should consider
> filing a bug to make it more noisy on errors.
> > now i just did a update and i noticed that pup isn`t refreshing itself
> > to see if there are newer updates or if another program took care of
> > the updates..
>
> pup won't notice a yum update. This needs to be bugzillaed.
> > i know that you can manually refresh pup but wouldn`t it be better to
> > auto refresh pup once every 5 minutes?
>
> Security updates are released every 1440 minutes (daily),
> Checking for updates every five minutes is overkill.
> > and a pup suggestion.. could it be possible to show the yum output in
> > pup (with a expand arrow)?
>
> pup is aimed at making security updates simple for non-technical people.
> A lot of technical people seem to want to make pup into a graphical yum,
> which means we will later need yet another program that aims to be aimed
> at non-technical people.
> > this is (probably) my last topic today.
> > more bug hunting tomorrow.
> > Mark
> >
> > fedora-devel-list mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
>
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[Tim Lauridsen]

Mark wrote:
> Hey,
>
> i seem to be on a topic spree today..
> anyway.. i rarely use pup because i want to see the download speeds 
> for the packages and want to abort them if needed + i want to see any 
> possible errors that occur.
> now i just did a update and i noticed that pup isn`t refreshing itself 
> to see if there are newer updates or if another program took care of 
> the updates..
>
> i know that you can manually refresh pup but wouldn`t it be better to 
> auto refresh pup once every 5 minutes?
>
> and a pup suggestion.. could it be possible to show the yum output in 
> pup (with a expand arrow)?
>
> this is (probably) my last topic today.
> more bug hunting tomorrow.
>
> Mark

Try yumex it show you what is going on.

Tim