Stateless linux

[gaurav]

Hi list,
        I am interested in stateless Linux project  and would like to 
volunteer  for its beta tester ... I will try roll this out in my brother's 
school and after that  co workers on my office plus also would like to 
contribute to its development ....help it to take to next level :-)

I would like to know what state this project is in ? is anybody involved 
in active testing/ testing development ? Do you need beta tester ...

all like minded (stateless  people ;-) ) pl let me know if interested

Regards,
gaurav

[Peter Dedecker]

Gaurav wrote:
>    I am interested in stateless Linux project  and would like to 
>
> volunteer  for its beta tester ... I will try roll this out in my 
> brother's school and after that  co workers on my office plus also would 
> like to contribute to its development ....help it to take to next level :-)

Nice
> I would like to know what state this project is in ? is anybody involved 
> in active testing/ testing development ? Do you need beta tester ...

It isn't in active development right now.  At Red Hat, they don't even 
know if they'll continue it.  But if they continue it, there'll be a 
team working on it.
> all like minded (stateless  people ;-) ) pl let me know if interested

You can see my experiences at 
http://blog.eikke.com/index.php/fedorastateless

Good luck!

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:56:38 +0000, Peter Dedecker
 wrote:
> Gaurav wrote:
> >    I am interested in stateless Linux project  and would like to
> >
> > volunteer  for its beta tester ... I will try roll this out in my
> > brother's school and after that  co workers on my office plus also would
> > like to contribute to its development ....help it to take to next level :-)
>
> Nice
> > I would like to know what state this project is in ? is anybody involved
> > in active testing/ testing development ? Do you need beta tester ...
>
> It isn't in active development right now.  At Red Hat, they don't even
> know if they'll continue it.  But if they continue it, there'll be a
> team working on it.

Well maybe Red Hat should talk to they have been selling to  in the US
Government networks. There is a major need for a packaged conformed
stateless linux product for various networks. The defense department
and energy departments are needing to put 1000's of computers as
diskless nodes. Having say RHEL-4 with a stateless station should be a
good selling point.
> > all like minded (stateless  people ;-) ) pl let me know if interested
>
> You can see my experiences at
> http://blog.eikke.com/index.php/fedorastateless
>
> Good luck!
>
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[gaurav]

so ...will stateless linux is going to be included in fc 4  or not ??

Stephen J. Smoogen wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:56:38 +0000, Peter Dedecker
>  wrote:
> > Gaurav wrote:
> > >   I am interested in stateless Linux project  and would like to
> > >
> > > volunteer  for its beta tester ... I will try roll this out in my
> > > brother's school and after that  co workers on my office plus also would
> > > like to contribute to its development ....help it to take to next level :-)
> >
> > Nice
> > > I would like to know what state this project is in ? is anybody involved
> > > in active testing/ testing development ? Do you need beta tester ...
> >
> > It isn't in active development right now.  At Red Hat, they don't even
> > know if they'll continue it.  But if they continue it, there'll be a
> > team working on it.
>
> Well maybe Red Hat should talk to they have been selling to  in the US
> Government networks. There is a major need for a packaged conformed
> stateless linux product for various networks. The defense department
> and energy departments are needing to put 1000's of computers as
> diskless nodes. Having say RHEL-4 with a stateless station should be a
> good selling point.
> > > all like minded (stateless  people ;-) ) pl let me know if interested
> >
> > You can see my experiences at
> > http://blog.eikke.com/index.php/fedorastateless
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > --
> > Peter Dedecker                      [e-mail]
> > Studentenvertegenwoordiger          VTK Computerpraeses
> > Isabellakaai 124 - 9000 Gent        GSM: 0486/15.23.20
> >
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[Jason Powers]

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My guess is it will still be in testing. We used it last year when the
docs on the site were still sort of current, and it worked pretty well
at my office. However, I am unable to contribute code, so if you don't
know how to read over the python it's hard to troubleshoot.

Try to get it from cvs and pick through the instructions on the project
site, it's fairly easy, but in order to use it for diskless terminals
you pretty much have to have control over your router (we don't).

Still, even with what's there it makes a good system for backups and
mass installs.

At the Fedora Conference in Boston, Havoc talked about it a bit, and
there was interest among the attendees, but I get the impression they
didn't have anyone outside redhat contributing code, so they weren't
really pursuing it.

It's a shame because it was a lot easier than LTSP to get configured.
I'm still going to use it here one way or another, but it could be six
months before I can sit down and add anything to their code.

Jason

gaurav wrote:
| so ...will stateless linux is going to be included in fc 4  or not ??
|
| Stephen J. Smoogen wrote:
|
|> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:56:38 +0000, Peter Dedecker
|>  wrote:
|>
|>
|>> Gaurav wrote:
|>>
|>>
|>>>       I am interested in stateless Linux project  and would like to
|>>> volunteer  for its beta tester ... I will try roll this out in my
|>>> brother's school and after that  co workers on my office plus also
|>>> would
|>>> like to contribute to its development ....help it to take to next
|>>> level :-)
|>>>
|>>
|>> Nice
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>>> I would like to know what state this project is in ? is anybody
|>>> involved
|>>> in active testing/ testing development ? Do you need beta tester ...
|>>>
|>>
|>> It isn't in active development right now.  At Red Hat, they don't even
|>> know if they'll continue it.  But if they continue it, there'll be a
|>> team working on it.
|>>
|>>
|>
|>
|> Well maybe Red Hat should talk to they have been selling to  in the US
|> Government networks. There is a major need for a packaged conformed
|> stateless linux product for various networks. The defense department
|> and energy departments are needing to put 1000's of computers as
|> diskless nodes. Having say RHEL-4 with a stateless station should be a
|> good selling point.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>>> all like minded (stateless  people ;-) ) pl let me know if interested
|>>>
|>>
|>> You can see my experiences at
|>> http://blog.eikke.com/index.php/fedorastateless
|>>
|>> Good luck!
|>>
|>> --
|>> Peter Dedecker                      [e-mail]
|>> Studentenvertegenwoordiger          VTK Computerpraeses
|>> Isabellakaai 124 - 9000 Gent        GSM: 0486/15.23.20
|>>
|>>
|>> --
|>> fedora-devel-list mailing list
|>> [e-mail]
|>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
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[gaurav]

I was just  wondering how hard this concept of state less Linux will be 
to port to other distro (like debian) ? any idea if there code written 
od code written specifically for fedora or its just collection of 
unities and scripts . if some could just point me fc specific code wud 
be great :-)

Jason Powers wrote:
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> My guess is it will still be in testing. We used it last year when the
> docs on the site were still sort of current, and it worked pretty well
> at my office. However, I am unable to contribute code, so if you don't
> know how to read over the python it's hard to troubleshoot.
>
> Try to get it from cvs and pick through the instructions on the project
> site, it's fairly easy, but in order to use it for diskless terminals
> you pretty much have to have control over your router (we don't).
>
> Still, even with what's there it makes a good system for backups and
> mass installs.
>
> At the Fedora Conference in Boston, Havoc talked about it a bit, and
> there was interest among the attendees, but I get the impression they
> didn't have anyone outside redhat contributing code, so they weren't
> really pursuing it.
>
> It's a shame because it was a lot easier than LTSP to get configured.
> I'm still going to use it here one way or another, but it could be six
> months before I can sit down and add anything to their code.
>
> Jason
>
> gaurav wrote:
> | so ...will stateless linux is going to be included in fc 4  or not ??
> |
> | Stephen J. Smoogen wrote:
> |
> |> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:56:38 +0000, Peter Dedecker
> |>  wrote:
> |>
> |>
> |>> Gaurav wrote:
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>>       I am interested in stateless Linux project  and would like to
> |>>> volunteer  for its beta tester ... I will try roll this out in my
> |>>> brother's school and after that  co workers on my office plus also
> |>>> would
> |>>> like to contribute to its development ....help it to take to next
> |>>> level :-)
> |>>>
> |>>
> |>> Nice
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>> I would like to know what state this project is in ? is anybody
> |>>> involved
> |>>> in active testing/ testing development ? Do you need beta tester ...
> |>>>
> |>>
> |>> It isn't in active development right now.  At Red Hat, they don't 
> even
> |>> know if they'll continue it.  But if they continue it, there'll be a
> |>> team working on it.
> |>>
> |>>
> |>
> |>
> |> Well maybe Red Hat should talk to they have been selling to  in the US
> |> Government networks. There is a major need for a packaged conformed
> |> stateless linux product for various networks. The defense department
> |> and energy departments are needing to put 1000's of computers as
> |> diskless nodes. Having say RHEL-4 with a stateless station should be a
> |> good selling point.
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>>> all like minded (stateless  people ;-) ) pl let me know if 
> interested
> |>>>
> |>>
> |>> You can see my experiences at
> |>> http://blog.eikke.com/index.php/fedorastateless
> |>>
> |>> Good luck!
> |>>
> |>> --
> |>> Peter Dedecker                      [e-mail]
> |>> Studentenvertegenwoordiger          VTK Computerpraeses
> |>> Isabellakaai 124 - 9000 Gent        GSM: 0486/15.23.20
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> --
> |>> fedora-devel-list mailing list
> |>> [e-mail]
> |>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
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[Rahul Sundaram]

--- gaurav  wrote:
> I was just  wondering how hard this concept of state
> less Linux will be 
> to port to other distro (like debian) ? any idea if
> there code written 
> od code written specifically for fedora or its just
> collection of 
> unities and scripts .

its in a highly experimental stage now. once its
complete it can definitely be ported to other
distributions if people work on it. if you have a
interest in it poke into the current code in cvs yourself

Regards
Rahul Sundaram

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[gaurav]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> --- gaurav  wrote:
> > I was just  wondering how hard this concept of state
> > less Linux will be 
> > to port to other distro (like debian) ? any idea if
> > there code written 
> > od code written specifically for fedora or its just
> > collection of 
> > unities and scripts .
>
> its in a highly experimental stage now. once its
> complete it can definitely be ported to other
> distributions if people work on it. if you have a
> interest in it poke into the current code in cvs yourself

i  would request  Redhat (if possible) to   start a new mailing  list  
dedicated to stateless  linux where a group dedicated developers can 
work  as I think this project has huge potential  :-)
> Regards
> Rahul Sundaram
>
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[Stephen John Smoogen]

Actually, I was waiting for some sort of larger announcement and mailing list
myself. I had put a very little time into it.. but couldnt see who
else was wanting it or doing anything on it. Having a mailing list
would be useful.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:22:58 +0530, gaurav  wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > --- gaurav  wrote:
> > > I was just  wondering how hard this concept of state
> > > less Linux will be
> > > to port to other distro (like debian) ? any idea if
> > > there code written
> > > od code written specifically for fedora or its just
> > > collection of
> > > unities and scripts .
> >
> > its in a highly experimental stage now. once its
> > complete it can definitely be ported to other
> > distributions if people work on it. if you have a
> > interest in it poke into the current code in cvs yourself
>
> i  would request  Redhat (if possible) to   start a new mailing  list
> dedicated to stateless  linux where a group dedicated developers can
> work  as I think this project has huge potential  :-)
> > Regards
> > Rahul Sundaram
> >
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[Colin Charles]

On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 07:54 -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote:
> Actually, I was waiting for some sort of larger announcement and mailing list
> myself. I had put a very little time into it.. but couldnt see who
> else was wanting it or doing anything on it. Having a mailing list
> would be useful.

It was however decided till the traffic on f-d-l got too high, there
would be no stateless linux list. So, why not just use f-d-l in the
meantime?

Quoting Rahul:
> > i  would request  Redhat (if possible) to   start a new mailing  list
> > dedicated to stateless  linux where a group dedicated developers can
> > work  as I think this project has huge potential  :-)

This is an excellent place for the *external* community to step up and
start hacking. Remember, Fedora is a Red Hat sponsored, community
project

[Paul A Houle]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:45:47 +1000, Colin Charles  wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 07:54 -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote:
> > Actually, I was waiting for some sort of larger announcement and  
> > mailing list
> > myself. I had put a very little time into it.. but couldnt see who
> > else was wanting it or doing anything on it. Having a mailing list
> > would be useful.
>
> It was however decided till the traffic on f-d-l got too high, there
> would be no stateless linux list. So, why not just use f-d-l in the
> meantime?

Curiosity about stateless linux was one of the reasons I joined f-d-l.   
I've heard very little about stateless linux in the last month --  
certainly there is another other stuff going on f-d-l that it doesn't seem  
like a comfortable place to discuss stateless linux.

On the other hand,  it could be that stateless linux is dead in the water  
and there wouldn't be enoug of a critical mass to sustain discussion  
elsewhere.

[Matthew Eastman]

Paul A. Houle wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:45:47 +1000, Colin Charles  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 07:54 -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote:
> > > Actually, I was waiting for some sort of larger announcement and  
> > > mailing list
> > > myself. I had put a very little time into it.. but couldnt see who
> > > else was wanting it or doing anything on it. Having a mailing list
> > > would be useful.
> >
> > It was however decided till the traffic on f-d-l got too high, there
> > would be no stateless linux list. So, why not just use f-d-l in the
> > meantime?
> Curiosity about stateless linux was one of the reasons I joined 
>
> f-d-l.   I've heard very little about stateless linux in the last month 
> --  certainly there is another other stuff going on f-d-l that it 
> doesn't seem  like a comfortable place to discuss stateless linux.
> On the other hand,  it could be that stateless linux is dead in the 
>
> water  and there wouldn't be enoug of a critical mass to sustain 
> discussion  elsewhere.

I would really like to see the stateless project be revived. It seems 
like it is a good idea, and I know several people, including myself, who 
have implemented alternatives after realizing that stateless was no 
longer being developed. I would be willing to help in this cause if 
there are enough other people for this to worthwhile.

[gaurav]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> --- gaurav  wrote:
> > I was just  wondering how hard this concept of state
> > less Linux will be 
> > to port to other distro (like debian) ? any idea if
> > there code written 
> > od code written specifically for fedora or its just
> > collection of 
> > unities and scripts .
>
> its in a highly experimental stage now. once its
> complete it can definitely be ported to other
> distributions if people work on it. if you have a
> interest in it poke into the current code in cvs yourself
>
> Regards
> Rahul Sundaram

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