something's uninstalling the sun jre, again

[sean darcy]

I installed jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.rpm from sun about two 
weeks ago.

It's  gone now.

Oddly, there's no other package called jre, at least on my 
box, but something's not playing nicely with others.

sean

[Jesse Keating]

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 18:28 -0500, sean wrote:
> I installed jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.rpm from sun about two 
> weeks ago.
>
> It's  gone now.
>
> Oddly, there's no other package called jre, at least on my 
> box, but something's not playing nicely with others.

It is possible that the free java is obsoleting or otherwise conflicting
with the sun java.

java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-40jpp_56rh.1.1.i386.rpm

[Warren Togami]

Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 18:28 -0500, sean wrote:
> > I installed jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.rpm from sun about two 
> > weeks ago.
> >
> > It's  gone now.
> >
> > Oddly, there's no other package called jre, at least on my 
> > box, but something's not playing nicely with others.
>
> It is possible that the free java is obsoleting or otherwise conflicting
> with the sun java.
>
> java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-40jpp_56rh.1.1.i386.rpm

Yes, this is because Sun is not cooperating with the community on RPM 
packaging standards.  If you want a Sun java RPM that integrates well 
into Fedora, you should build one from jpackage.org.

Warren Togami
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[Marcus Hartig]

Warren Togami wrote:
> Yes, this is because Sun is not cooperating with the community on RPM 
> packaging standards.  If you want a Sun java RPM that integrates well 
> into Fedora, you should build one from jpackage.org.

Warren, which Java (Version) package do you recommend for Fedora, that I 
must no edit all the symlinks in /etc/alternatives? I'm aiming to use 
opencms 6.03 with tomcat, apache, firefox (java plugin) and need opencms 
for a new job next year. :-)

Marcus

[Jef Spaleta]

On 12/22/05, Marcus Hartig  wrote:
> Warren, which Java (Version) package do you recommend for Fedora, that I
> must no edit all the symlinks in /etc/alternatives? I'm aiming to use
> opencms 6.03 with tomcat, apache, firefox (java plugin) and need opencms
> for a new job next year. :-)

Isn't this answered in the release notes?
> From the fc5t1 and  fc4 release notes:

Java Package Recommendations

Fedora Core Whatever users are advised not to use the Java RPM
provided by Sun. It contains Provides that conflict with names used in
packages provided as part of Fedora Core Whatever. Because of this,
Sun Java might disappear from an installed system during package
upgrade operations.

Fedora Core Whatever users should use either the RPM from jpackage.org
or manually install the Sun Java tarball into /opt. Sun Java 1.5+ is
recommended for stability purposes.

-jef

[Marcus Hartig]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> Fedora Core Whatever users should use either the RPM from jpackage.org
> or manually install the Sun Java tarball into /opt. Sun Java 1.5+ is
> recommended for stability purposes.

Oh yes, thanks...I go this way with /opt, now.

Marcus

[Anthony Green]

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 16:18 +0100, Marcus Hartig wrote:
> Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > Fedora Core Whatever users should use either the RPM from jpackage.org
> > or manually install the Sun Java tarball into /opt. Sun Java 1.5+ is
> > recommended for stability purposes.
>
> Oh yes, thanks...I go this way with /opt, now.

This is actually bogus advice that we'll be fixing in the release notes.
We highly recommend _not_ installing Sun's tarball into /opt or anywhere
else.  Sun's raw RPMs are also bad news.

See the following for how to do it right...
http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/JPackage_Java_for_FC4

AG

[Jef Spaleta]

On 12/22/05, Anthony Green  wrote:
> See the following for how to do it right...
> http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/JPackage_Java_for_FC4

would it make sense to have instructions on doing the rpmbuild in mock
 for completeness?

-jef

[Anthony Green]

On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 17:20 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> would it make sense to have instructions on doing the rpmbuild in mock
>  for completeness?

I don't know anything about mock, so I can't say.  To be honest, I had
never heard of mock before and was hoping it was something like jive or
pig-latin...  "You want to install Sun's java?  Only fools resort to
such pathetic depths!  Start by downloading the wrapper source RPM from
Jpackage.org.  That is, if your mommy let's you.  Jerk."

AG

[Tom London]

On 12/22/05, Anthony Green  wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 16:18 +0100, Marcus Hartig wrote:
> > Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > > Fedora Core Whatever users should use either the RPM from jpackage.org
> > > or manually install the Sun Java tarball into /opt. Sun Java 1.5+ is
> > > recommended for stability purposes.
> >
> > Oh yes, thanks...I go this way with /opt, now.
>
> This is actually bogus advice that we'll be fixing in the release notes.
> We highly recommend _not_ installing Sun's tarball into /opt or anywhere
> else.  Sun's raw RPMs are also bad news.
>
> See the following for how to do it right...
> http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/JPackage_Java_for_FC4
>
> AG

Believe this needs to be updated for modular X.  I get this when doing
the 'yum localinstall....."

--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir for package:
java-1.5.0-sun-fonts
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir is needed by
package java-1.5.0-sun-fonts
[root@tlondon i586]#

--
Tom London