7:55 a.m.
Hi John,
(Cc-ing fedora-devel-list, surprised to see the schedule hasn't been
posted there)
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And
then GA slipped by two weeks.
In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA.
This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter
releases cycle.
Why is that?
Thanks,
Mark.
9:13 a.m.
New subject: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
Mark McLoughlin (markmc(a)redhat.com) said:
>
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html
> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics
In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And
then GA slipped by two weeks.
In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA.
This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter
releases cycle.
Why is that?
At least one week of this (that I recall) is to have the feature freeze
be a week before the 'code freeze' for the milestone; the idea is that
to avoid the 'all features land at once, and we have to spend a week
cleaning them up' problem.
Bill
9:16 a.m.
New subject: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:13 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Mark McLoughlin (markmc(a)redhat.com) said:
> > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html
> > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics
>
> In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And
> then GA slipped by two weeks.
>
> In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA.
>
> This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter
> releases cycle.
>
> Why is that?
At least one week of this (that I recall) is to have the feature freeze
be a week before the 'code freeze' for the milestone; the idea is that
to avoid the 'all features land at once, and we have to spend a week
cleaning them up' problem.
Had that last time too:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule
2009-03-03 Feature Freeze
2009-03-10 Beta Freeze
Cheers,
Mark.
10:59 p.m.
New subject: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
Mark McLoughlin said the following on 07/24/2009 05:55 AM Pacific Time:
Hi John,
(Cc-ing fedora-devel-list, surprised to see the schedule hasn't been
posted there)
It was approved by FESCo in May
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/143 and should have appeared on
fedora-devel as part of the meeting recap.
The schedules below are detailed schedules for a specific team. There
were no changes to the major milestones originally approved:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html
> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics
In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And
then GA slipped by two weeks.
In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA.
For Fedora 12 An extra week was added to accommodate Linux plumbers
conference, etc...https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1271
In addition there are four weeks in the Fedora 12 schedule for Alpha
(previously known as Beta) versus the three weeks in Fedora 11--this was
an oversight in the setting of the Fedora 11 schedule which did not
allow for three weekly snapshots.
This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a
shorter
releases cycle.
This is one of the reasons it was discussed almost a month or more
before the GA of Fedora 11.
Why is that?
To get back on the regular "Halloween/May Day" release schedule. The
original alpha (as we used to know it) was dropped by Releng in an
effort to add more development time back... this was discussed on
fedora-devel.
John
2:40 a.m.
New subject: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 20:59 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
Mark McLoughlin said the following on 07/24/2009 05:55 AM Pacific
Time:
> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
>
>> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html
>> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics
>
> In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And
> then GA slipped by two weeks.
> In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA.
For Fedora 12 An extra week was added to accommodate Linux plumbers
conference, etc...https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1271
In addition there are four weeks in the Fedora 12 schedule for Alpha
(previously known as Beta) versus the three weeks in Fedora 11--this was
an oversight in the setting of the Fedora 11 schedule which did not
allow for three weekly snapshots.
Okay, the extra two weeks are to allow for (rel-eng?) people being
missing during plumbers and to allow for a third snapshot between alpha
and beta.
That makes sense on the face of it, but the end result for developers is
a release cycle split into a 49 day development period followed by a 99
day stablization period. That's quite conservative for a bleeding edge
distro.
Constructive suggestion for the next cycle - we should go back to a
shorter gap between Feature Freeze and GA.
Cheers,
Mark.
7:14 a.m.
New subject: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 08:40:04 +0100,
Mark McLoughlin <markmc(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Constructive suggestion for the next cycle - we should go back to a
shorter gap between Feature Freeze and GA.
Isn't development for the N+2 release supposed to start at the branch point
and not GA of N+1? I think that is likely to happen at alpha (formerly
known as beta) this time around.
11:35 a.m.
New subject: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 08:40 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
Constructive suggestion for the next cycle - we should go back to a
shorter gap between Feature Freeze and GA.
With No Frozen Rawhide approved, the scheduling will look a tad bit
different. Please review
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal and consider
how that effects time between development start, feature freeze, and GA.
--
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating
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