F14 youtube support?

[Michał Piotrowski]

Hi,

Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
informationa about flash support. I installed gnash package and
Firefox showed information about Adobe plugin - I tried to run some
videos, but the only thing I saw was a fancy error message about
gnash. I removed gnash and information about Adobe flash support in
Firefox disappeared, so I installed gnash again but now about:plugins
doesn't show me any information about flash support - blah :)

So? Is there any way to use youtube on Fedora?

Regards,
Michal

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 09/01/2010 07:59 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
>  install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
>  /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
>  ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
>  informationa about flash support. I installed gnash package and
>  Firefox showed information about Adobe plugin - I tried to run some
>  videos, but the only thing I saw was a fancy error message about
>  gnash. I removed gnash and information about Adobe flash support in
>  Firefox disappeared, so I installed gnash again but now about:plugins
>  doesn't show me any information about flash support - blah :)
>  
>  So? Is there any way to use youtube on Fedora?
>  
>  Regards,
>  Michal 
Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support WebM,
so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5

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Stephen Gallagher
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[Michał Piotrowski]

2010/9/2 Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com&gt;:
[..]
>  Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support
> WebM,
>  so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5 
Unfortunately does not work here
http://i54.tinypic.com/11ayg6d.png

Any ideas why Adobe Flash does not work on F14? Once everything worked
without any problem (that was true in times of Fedora7, Fedora8 ;)).

Regards,
Michal

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 02:28 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>  2010/9/2 Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  [..]
>  > Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support WebM,
>  > so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5
>  
>  Unfortunately does not work here
>  http://i54.tinypic.com/11ayg6d.png
>  
>  Any ideas why Adobe Flash does not work on F14? Once everything worked
>  without any problem (that was true in times of Fedora7, Fedora8 ;)). 
It works fine here. -devel isn't a support list, it'd be more
appropriate to ask the question on -test or in IRC.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Nicu Buculei]

On 09/02/2010 03:07 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  On 09/01/2010 07:59 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> >
> > So? Is there any way to use youtube on Fedora?
>
>  Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support WebM,
>  so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5 
This is incorrect, F14 is stuck with Firefox 3.6.x, which is unable of 
WebM playback, so for HTML5 support on YouTube the solution is to use 
either Epiphany or a Firefox 4 build from Remi's repo.

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/

[Eelko Berkenpies]

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;wrote:

>  On 09/02/2010 03:07 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  >
>  > On 09/01/2010 07:59 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>  >>
>  >> So? Is there any way to use youtube on Fedora?
>  >
>  > Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support WebM,
>  > so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5
>
>  This is incorrect, F14 is stuck with Firefox 3.6.x, which is unable of
>  WebM playback, so for HTML5 support on YouTube the solution is to use
>  either Epiphany or a Firefox 4 build from Remi's repo.
>
>  --
>  nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
>  --
>  <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel>
>  
Tom "Spot" Callaway also has a very nice dedicated repository for Firefox 4;
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/

I personally prefer this one because it doesn't pull in other updates from
Remi's repo (yeah, I know I could exclude those but I'm very lazy). ;)

-- 
Eelko Berkenpies
http://berkenpi,es

[Tom Callaway]

On 09/02/2010 02:53 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
>  
>  
>  On 09/02/2010 04:39 PM, Eelko Berkenpies wrote:
> >
> > Tom "Spot" Callaway also has a very nice dedicated repository for
> > Firefox 4; http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/
> >
> > I personally prefer this one because it doesn't pull in other updates
> > from Remi's repo (yeah, I know I could exclude those but I'm very
> > lazy). ;)
>  I have been using this repo for chromium but the latest build seems to
>  have broken the search bar. 
I've been working on a Chromium update for a while now, hopefully this
will work in the next update.

~spot

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:59:21 +0300
Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt; wrote:

>  On 09/02/2010 03:07 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  >
>  > On 09/01/2010 07:59 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>  >>
>  >> So? Is there any way to use youtube on Fedora?
>  >
>  > Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support
>  > WebM, so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5
>  
>  This is incorrect, F14 is stuck with Firefox 3.6.x, which is unable
>  of WebM playback, so for HTML5 support on YouTube the solution is to
>  use either Epiphany or a Firefox 4 build from Remi's repo. 
I'll note that midori also does html5. ;) 

kevin

[Martin Sourada]

On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 10:32 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: 
>  On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:59:21 +0300
>  Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > On 09/02/2010 03:07 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  > >
>  > > On 09/01/2010 07:59 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >> So? Is there any way to use youtube on Fedora?
>  > >
>  > > Well, the version of Mozilla Firefox in Fedora 14 should support
>  > > WebM, so try this: http://www.youtube.com/html5
>  > 
>  > This is incorrect, F14 is stuck with Firefox 3.6.x, which is unable
>  > of WebM playback, so for HTML5 support on YouTube the solution is to
>  > use either Epiphany or a Firefox 4 build from Remi's repo.
>  
>  I'll note that midori also does html5. ;) 
>   
And I'll note that in addition to WebM it can also do H264 (with the
usual gst codecs from the third party repo mentioned elsewhere in this
thread installed) which makes a huge difference as a huge portion of
youtube videos hasn't been converted to WebM yet (not sure how many
exactly -- are there any stats available?).

And in regard to the original question. Have you tried swfdec-mozilla?
It used to work just fine on youtube for me (but I've switched to flash
from adobe long ago enough for things to have changed...).

Martin

[Petr Pisar]

On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
>  install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
>  /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
>  ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
>  informationa about flash support. 
Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64
architecture by vendor.
(It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI
to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on
Gentoo).

So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64.

>  I installed gnash package and Firefox showed information about Adobe
>  plugin - I tried to run some videos, but the only thing I saw was
>  a fancy error message about gnash. 
Which error message, which version?

I have no problem when Gnash 0.8.8 is compiled against ffmpeg (Gentoo again,
sorry).

I tried this viedeo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on
Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about
missng AAC decoder. I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad
(http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/...)
and the sound in
Gnash started to work. Video worked already becuase of other gstreamer
plugin probably.

However these gstreamer plugins are not in offical Fedora repository
because of regional patents. They come from rpmfusion-free repositories.

-- Petr

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 10:34 +0000, Petr Pisar wrote:
>  On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
>  > install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
>  > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
>  > ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
>  > informationa about flash support.
>  Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor.
>  (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
>  it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI
>  to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on
>  Gentoo).
>  
>  So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64.
>  
>  > I installed gnash package and Firefox showed information about Adobe
>  > plugin - I tried to run some videos, but the only thing I saw was
>  > a fancy error message about gnash.
>  
>  Which error message, which version?
>  
>  I have no problem when Gnash 0.8.8 is compiled against ffmpeg (Gentoo again,
>  sorry).
>  
>  I tried this viedeo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on
>  Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about
>  missng AAC decoder. I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad
>
> (http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/...)
> and the sound in
>  Gnash started to work. Video worked already becuase of other gstreamer
>  plugin probably.
>  
>  However these gstreamer plugins are not in offical Fedora repository
>  because of regional patents. They come from rpmfusion-free repositories.
>  
>  -- Petr
>  
>  -- 
>  devel mailing list
>  devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel 
Is this problem with flash not working on x86_64 architecture limited to
Fedora or what?
I use Ubuntu 10.04 64bit as my primary operating system and have 32bit
Flash installed with wrapper inside Firefox 4.0 beta 4 and have no
problems.
There I ask the question, what is wrong with doing the same thing in
Fedora?

Regards


-- 
Chris Jones <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au&gt;

[drago01]

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Chris Jones <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 10:34 +0000, Petr Pisar wrote:
> > On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
> > > install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
> > > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
> > > ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
> > > informationa about flash support.
> > Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor.
> > (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
> > it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI
> > to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on
> > Gentoo).
> >
> > So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64.
> >
> > > I installed gnash package and Firefox showed information about Adobe
> > > plugin - I tried to run some videos, but the only thing I saw was
> > > a fancy error message about gnash.
> >
> > Which error message, which version?
> >
> > I have no problem when Gnash 0.8.8 is compiled against ffmpeg (Gentoo again,
> > sorry).
> >
> > I tried this viedeo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on
> > Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about
> > missng AAC decoder. I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad
> >
> (http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/...)
> and the sound in
> > Gnash started to work. Video worked already becuase of other gstreamer
> > plugin probably.
> >
> > However these gstreamer plugins are not in offical Fedora repository
> > because of regional patents. They come from rpmfusion-free repositories.
> >
> > -- Petr
> >
> > --
> > devel mailing list
> > devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
>
>  Is this problem with flash not working on x86_64 architecture limited to
>  Fedora or what? 
When setup correctly it works just fine.

>  I use Ubuntu 10.04 64bit as my primary operating system and have
> 32bit
>  Flash installed with wrapper inside Firefox 4.0 beta 4 and have no
>  problems.
>  There I ask the question, what is wrong with doing the same thing in
>  Fedora? 
It works fine here.

[Daniel J Walsh]

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On 09/02/2010 08:42 AM, drago01 wrote:
>  On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Chris Jones
> <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au&gt; wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 10:34 +0000, Petr Pisar wrote:
> >> On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
> >>> install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
> >>> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
> >>> ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
> >>> informationa about flash support.
> >> Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor.
> >> (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
> >> it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI
> >> to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on
> >> Gentoo).
> >>
> >> So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64.
> >>
> >>> I installed gnash package and Firefox showed information about Adobe
> >>> plugin - I tried to run some videos, but the only thing I saw was
> >>> a fancy error message about gnash.
> >>
> >> Which error message, which version?
> >>
> >> I have no problem when Gnash 0.8.8 is compiled against ffmpeg (Gentoo again,
> >> sorry).
> >>
> >> I tried this viedeo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on
> >> Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about
> >> missng AAC decoder. I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad
> >>
> (http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/...)
> and the sound in
> >> Gnash started to work. Video worked already becuase of other gstreamer
> >> plugin probably.
> >>
> >> However these gstreamer plugins are not in offical Fedora repository
> >> because of regional patents. They come from rpmfusion-free repositories.
> >>
> >> -- Petr
> >>
> >> --
> >> devel mailing list
> >> devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
> >
> > Is this problem with flash not working on x86_64 architecture limited to
> > Fedora or what?
>  
>  When setup correctly it works just fine.
>  
> > I use Ubuntu 10.04 64bit as my primary operating system and have 32bit
> > Flash installed with wrapper inside Firefox 4.0 beta 4 and have no
> > problems.
> > There I ask the question, what is wrong with doing the same thing in
> > Fedora?
>  
>  It works fine here. 
It could be an SELinux problem.  Look for AVC messages.
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[Michał Piotrowski]

2010/9/2 Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  It could be an SELinux problem.  Look for AVC messages. 
No AVC's releated to flash-plugin. I disabled SELinux and it still
doesn't work - so it's not a "security issue" ;)

Regards,
Michal

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 17:26:28 +0200,
  Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  2010/9/2 Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  > It could be an SELinux problem.  Look for AVC messages.
>  
>  No AVC's releated to flash-plugin. I disabled SELinux and it still
>  doesn't work - so it's not a "security issue" ;) 
Note that its better to switch to permissive mode if you want to test
something like this than to switch to disabled mode. Once you switch to
disabled, files don't get properly labelled and when you turn it back
on you'll need to do a full relabel.

[Michał Piotrowski]

W dniu 2 września 2010 18:00 użytkownik Bruno Wolff III
<bruno(a)wolff.to&gt; napisał:
>  On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 17:26:28 +0200,
>   Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > 2010/9/2 Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt;:
> > > It could be an SELinux problem.  Look for AVC messages.
> >
> > No AVC's releated to flash-plugin. I disabled SELinux and it still
> > doesn't work - so it's not a "security issue" ;)
>
>  Note that its better to switch to permissive mode if you want to test
>  something like this than to switch to disabled mode. Once you switch to
>  disabled, files don't get properly labelled and when you turn it back
>  on you'll need to do a full relabel.
>  
Thanks for the tip.

I've got only two 8 GB's Linux partitions on laptop, so it won't take
much time to relabel.

Regards,
Michal

[Petr Pisar]

On 2010-09-02, Chris Jones <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  Is this problem with flash not working on x86_64 architecture limited to
>  Fedora or what?
>  I use Ubuntu 10.04 64bit as my primary operating system and have 32bit
>  Flash installed with wrapper inside Firefox 4.0 beta 4 and have no
>  problems. 
I have personal experience with nspluginwrapper on Gentoo. It did not
crash actually. When closing a tab with SWF, the plugin blocked and one
needed to kill it manually. After killing, Firefox did some fancy things.

However I heard similar stories from other distributions users, so I
thought it's broken everywhere. I'm glad to hear it works again (or at
least somewhere).

-- Petr

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 11:13 +0000, Petr Pisar wrote:
>  On 2010-09-02, Chris Jones <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > Is this problem with flash not working on x86_64 architecture limited to
>  > Fedora or what?
>  > I use Ubuntu 10.04 64bit as my primary operating system and have 32bit
>  > Flash installed with wrapper inside Firefox 4.0 beta 4 and have no
>  > problems.
>  
>  I have personal experience with nspluginwrapper on Gentoo. It did not
>  crash actually. When closing a tab with SWF, the plugin blocked and one
>  needed to kill it manually. After killing, Firefox did some fancy things.
>  
>  However I heard similar stories from other distributions users, so I
>  thought it's broken everywhere. I'm glad to hear it works again (or at
>  least somewhere). 
BTW, I just remembered something - there is a Fedora-specific (ish)
wrinkle here, which is that if you have SELinux enabled, it will
interfere with Flash as installed from the upstream tarball (not sure
about the RPM repo) until you relabel the file as recommended by the
SELinux denial alert message. For me this manifested as any page with
Flash on it taking an age to display (and rendering Firefox
un-responsive until it did), and the Flash content not working.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net

[drago01]

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Petr Pisar <ppisar(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
> > install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
> > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
> > ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
> > informationa about flash support.
>  Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor.
>  (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
>  it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI
>  to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on
>  Gentoo).
>
>  So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64. 
Err no you are wrong, it is working fine here on multiple systems
using the wrapper on x86_64 and it does not cause a single crash.

[Michał Piotrowski]

2010/9/2 Petr Pisar <ppisar(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to
> > install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs
> > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins,
> > ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any
> > informationa about flash support.
>  Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor.
>  (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
>  it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI
>  to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on
>  Gentoo).
>
>  So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64.
>
> > I installed gnash package and Firefox showed information about Adobe
> > plugin - I tried to run some videos, but the only thing I saw was
> > a fancy error message about gnash.
>
>  Which error message, which version?
>
>  I have no problem when Gnash 0.8.8 is compiled against ffmpeg (Gentoo again,
>  sorry).
>
>  I tried this viedeo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on
>  Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about
>  missng AAC decoder. I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad 
I istalled all the good, the bad and the ugly plugins from rpmfusion
repo and it's not workie :)

Ok, nevermind, I give up. Flash support on this system is nice to have
not must have.

Regrads,
Michal

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 17:47 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:

>  I istalled all the good, the bad and the ugly plugins from rpmfusion
>  repo and it's not workie :)
>  
>  Ok, nevermind, I give up. Flash support on this system is nice to have
>  not must have. 
Remove any packages to do with gnash or swfdec, then do this:

http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/06/26/a-quick-reminder-on-64-bit-flash/

should sort you out.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Matej Cepl]

Adam Williamson, Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:11:57 -0700:
>  http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/06/26/a-quick-reminder-on-64-bit-
flash/
>  
>  should sort you out. 
well, I think that the advice on this page is somehow confused:

a) flash-plugin (at least as installed from http://get.adobe.com/cz/
flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10.1_for_Linux_%28YUM%29) 
quite certainly doesn't depend on Adobe Acrobat Reader:

jakoubek:~$ sudo repoquery -qR --resolve flash-plugin
flash-plugin-0:10.1.82.76-release.i386
freetype-0:2.4.2-2.fc14.i686
glib2-0:2.25.14-2.fc14.i686
freetype-freeworld-0:2.3.11-2.fc13.i686
nspr-0:4.8.6-1.fc14.i686
gdk-pixbuf2-0:2.21.6-3.fc14.i686
cairo-0:1.9.14-1.fc14.i686
glibc-0:2.12.90-8.i686
libX11-0:1.3.4-3.fc14.i686
atk-0:1.30.0-5.fc14.i686
gtk2-0:2.21.6-1.fc14.i686
fontconfig-0:2.8.0-2.fc14.i686
libXt-0:1.0.7-1.fc13.i686
pango-0:1.28.1-4.fc14.i686
libXext-0:1.1.2-2.fc14.i686
nss-0:3.12.7-3.fc14.i686
bash-0:4.1.7-3.fc14.x86_64
jakoubek:~$ 

b) otherwise when the repo from the above link is installed you need to 
install

yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.{i686,x86_64} \
    alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.{i686,x86_64}

yes it pulls in tons of i686 packages. C’est la vie.

Matěj

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[Andre Robatino]

Matej Cepl <mcepl <at> redhat.com> writes:

>  
>  Adam Williamson, Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:11:57 -0700:
>  > http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/06/26/a-quick-reminder-on-64-bit-
>  flash/
>  > 
>  > should sort you out.
>  
>  well, I think that the advice on this page is somehow confused:
>  
>  a) flash-plugin (at least as installed from http://get.adobe.com/cz/
>  flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10.1_for_Linux_%28YUM%29) 
>  quite certainly doesn't depend on Adobe Acrobat Reader:
>  
>  jakoubek:~$ sudo repoquery -qR --resolve flash-plugin
>  flash-plugin-0:10.1.82.76-release.i386
>  freetype-0:2.4.2-2.fc14.i686
>  glib2-0:2.25.14-2.fc14.i686
>  freetype-freeworld-0:2.3.11-2.fc13.i686
>  nspr-0:4.8.6-1.fc14.i686
>  gdk-pixbuf2-0:2.21.6-3.fc14.i686
>  cairo-0:1.9.14-1.fc14.i686
>  glibc-0:2.12.90-8.i686
>  libX11-0:1.3.4-3.fc14.i686
>  atk-0:1.30.0-5.fc14.i686
>  gtk2-0:2.21.6-1.fc14.i686
>  fontconfig-0:2.8.0-2.fc14.i686
>  libXt-0:1.0.7-1.fc13.i686
>  pango-0:1.28.1-4.fc14.i686
>  libXext-0:1.1.2-2.fc14.i686
>  nss-0:3.12.7-3.fc14.i686
>  bash-0:4.1.7-3.fc14.x86_64
>  jakoubek:~$  
See

http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/06/26/a-quick-reminder-on-64-bit-flash/...

and

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-May/373309.html

If certain i686 packages aren't installed before flash-plugin, then it WILL try
to pull in AdobeReader_sve as a dependency, in order to provide libstdc++.so.6
(which can also be provided by one of the Fedora packages). The simple solution
is to just install those other packages first, then the repo works fine without
pulling in Adobe Reader.

[Michał Piotrowski]

2010/9/2 Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>  On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 17:47 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>
> > I istalled all the good, the bad and the ugly plugins from rpmfusion
> > repo and it's not workie :)
> >
> > Ok, nevermind, I give up. Flash support on this system is nice to have
> > not must have.
>
>  Remove any packages to do with gnash or swfdec, then do this:
>
>  http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/06/26/a-quick-reminder-on-64-bit-flash/
>
>  should sort you out. 
Thanks! It almost woks now (nspluginwrapper.i686 was missing I had
only x86_64 version) - video works well, but I don't hear any audio. I
can play music through Amarok and I can control sound volume. I can't
do this for Firefox - it seems to be muted. Am I missing something?

Regards,
Michal

[Andre Robatino]

Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4 <at> gmail.com> writes:

>  Thanks! It almost woks now (nspluginwrapper.i686 was missing I had
>  only x86_64 version) - video works well, but I don't hear any audio. I
>  can play music through Amarok and I can control sound volume. I can't
>  do this for Firefox - it seems to be muted. Am I missing something? 
Make sure you have installed all the i686 packages listed here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash#32_bit_wrapped_version

[Michał Piotrowski]

2010/9/5 Andre Robatino <robatino(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Thanks! It almost woks now (nspluginwrapper.i686 was missing I had
> > only x86_64 version) - video works well, but I don't hear any audio. I
> > can play music through Amarok and I can control sound volume. I can't
> > do this for Firefox - it seems to be muted. Am I missing something?
>
>  Make sure you have installed all the i686 packages listed here:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash#32_bit_wrapped_version 
I think that's the problem. When I try to install missing libcurl

sudo yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.x86_64
nspluginwrapper.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686     libcurl.i686

I get

package krb5-libs-1.7.1-13.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than
krb5-libs-1.7.1-10.fc13.i686) is already installed

I tried to skip krb5-libs

sudo yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.x86_64
nspluginwrapper.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686     libcurl.i686 -x
krb5-libs --skip-broken

but it also does not work. So I think that I need to wait for a while :)

I could swear that a few years ago flash installation was a lot simpler.

Regards,
Michal

[Andre Robatino]

Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4 <at> gmail.com> writes:

>  
>  2010/9/5 Andre Robatino <robatino <at> fedoraproject.org>:
>  > Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  >
>  >> Thanks! It almost woks now (nspluginwrapper.i686 was missing I had
>  >> only x86_64 version) - video works well, but I don't hear any audio. I
>  >> can play music through Amarok and I can control sound volume. I can't
>  >> do this for Firefox - it seems to be muted. Am I missing something?
>  >
>  > Make sure you have installed all the i686 packages listed here:
>  >
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash#32_bit_wrapped_version
>  
>  I think that's the problem. When I try to install missing libcurl
>  
>  sudo yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.x86_64
>  nspluginwrapper.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686     libcurl.i686
>  
>  I get
>  
>  package krb5-libs-1.7.1-13.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than
>  krb5-libs-1.7.1-10.fc13.i686) is already installed
>  
>  I tried to skip krb5-libs
>  
>  sudo yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.x86_64
>  nspluginwrapper.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686     libcurl.i686 -x
>  krb5-libs --skip-broken
>  
>  but it also does not work. So I think that I need to wait for a while :)
>  
>  I could swear that a few years ago flash installation was a lot simpler. 
Check the page again, I made several edits to the instructions to simplify them.
In particular, I broke the yum install into two separate commands, which avoids
the libstdc++ dependency problem that previously lead to the need to use
--exclude for the Adobe Reader. I also checked that in 64-bit Fedora 10, 11, 12,
and 13, installing the 32-bit nspluginwrapper automatically pulls in both the
32-bit libcurl (so you should already have that!) and the 32-bit libstdc++
(which will prevent Adobe Reader from getting pulled in). So the only Fedora
packages that need to be installed before flash-plugin are nspluginwrapper (both
32- and 64-bit) and alsa-plugins-pulseaudio (32-bit).

[Michał Piotrowski]

2010/9/6 Andre Robatino <robatino(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Check the page again, I made several edits to the instructions to
> simplify them.
>  In particular, I broke the yum install into two separate commands, which avoids
>  the libstdc++ dependency problem that previously lead to the need to use
>  --exclude for the Adobe Reader. I also checked that in 64-bit Fedora 10, 11, 12,
>  and 13, installing the 32-bit nspluginwrapper automatically pulls in both the
>  32-bit libcurl (so you should already have that!) and the 32-bit libstdc++
>  (which will prevent Adobe Reader from getting pulled in). So the only Fedora
>  packages that need to be installed before flash-plugin are nspluginwrapper (both
>  32- and 64-bit) and alsa-plugins-pulseaudio (32-bit). 
After alsa-plugins-pulseaudio installation youtube is plaing music at
least :) Thanks!

I installed the system from KDE Live CD, and then installed Gnome
Desktop - so I don't know how default install path looks like. But
maybe it will be possible to add a packages group "Flash Support" that
will install all 32-bit packages needed by flash-plugin and add
/etc/yum.repos.d/adobe-linux-i386.repo file? I understand that you may
not like the idea of adding a adobe-flash package into Fedora, but
maybe simple packages group + repo file could be accepted?

Regards,
Michal

[Andre Robatino]

Michał Piotrowski <mkkp4x4 <at> gmail.com> writes:

>  package krb5-libs-1.7.1-13.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than
>  krb5-libs-1.7.1-10.fc13.i686) is already installed 
krb5-libs-1.7.1-13.fc13 is from updates-testing. On my F13 box without
updates-testing, I have

krb5-libs-1.7.1-10.fc13.x86_64
krb5-libs-1.7.1-10.fc13.i686

You could try yum downgrade to get the stable version. But you probably won't be
able to reinstall the updates-testing version after installing the i686 packages
and flash-plugin.

[Adam Williamson]

On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 22:33 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:

>  I could swear that a few years ago flash installation was a lot
> simpler. 
You used to be able to use the 64-bit native version, which is why it
was simple. However, the last version of that which Adobe released is
still subject to the huge security hole that was discovered earlier this
year, so it's a very bad idea to use it now (and Adobe no longer makes
it available, for this reason). Adobe have not committed to any specific
updated 64-bit Linux Flash release, so we're stuck with using the 32-bit
plugin through a wrapper for the foreseeable future.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Till Maas]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:34:10AM +0000, Petr Pisar wrote:

>  I tried this viedeo
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on
>  Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about 
Youtube-nocookie works with gnash for me on F12:
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE

The normal Youtube URLs do not work here with gnash.

Regards
Till

[Ralf Ertzinger]

Hi.

On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:34:10 +0000 (UTC), Petr Pisar wrote

>  Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by
> vendor.
>  (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
>  it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b
>  NPAPI to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes
>  (tested on Gentoo).
>  
>  So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64. 
As of today, there is a flash player for 64bit linux again (again a
beta).

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

[drago01]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Ralf Ertzinger <fedora(a)camperquake.de&gt; wrote:
>  Hi.
>
>  On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:34:10 +0000 (UTC), Petr Pisar wrote
>
> > Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor.
> > (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use
> > it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b
> > NPAPI to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes
> > (tested on Gentoo).
> >
> > So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64.
>
>  As of today, there is a flash player for 64bit linux again (again a
>  beta).
>
>  http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html 
Which seems to work just fine here, and compared to the older beta it
doesn't have any features removed (like opengl scaling).