Re: ... and Fedora 25! - Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 18:28 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
>  > Recently several reports of people getting 'duplicated
> packages' and
>  > 'kernel updates not working' have come through to us in QA from Fedora
>  > 24 users. I managed to get one reporter to explain more specifically
>  > what happened, and it sounds a lot like what's happening is that
>  > something in the 'dnf update' process can cause a GNOME or X crash,
>  
>  
>  LXQT in my case, so more X than GNOME crash
>  
>  is there a bug I can subscribe to? 
Not yet (AFAIK), I'm trying to walk the reporter who's currently in
#fedora-qa through filing one. abrt is showing an X crash for him,
indeed. If you have hit this and you still have the system live, you
should be able to find the X crash in abrt and report it.

>  > Otherwise, at least run 'dnf update' in a VT -
>  > hit ctrl-alt-f3 to get a VT console login prompt, log in, and do it
>  > there. Don't do it inside your desktop.
>  
>  
>  or better (IMHO) - run it using `screen` ;-) 
I think whether that's better or not depends on exactly how the
screen/tmux server process was run...
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... and Fedora 25! - Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

[Ian Pilcher]

On 10/04/2016 11:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 18:28 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> > or better (IMHO) - run it using `screen` ;-)
>
>  I think whether that's better or not depends on exactly how the
>  screen/tmux server process was run... 
Can you clarify?  In what circumstances would the dnf command running
within a screen session not survive an X/desktop crash?

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... and Fedora 25! - Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

[Tomasz Torcz]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:31:43PM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>  On 10/04/2016 11:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 18:28 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
>  > > or better (IMHO) - run it using `screen` ;-)
>  > 
>  > I think whether that's better or not depends on exactly how the
>  > screen/tmux server process was run...
>  
>  Can you clarify?  In what circumstances would the dnf command running
>  within a screen session not survive an X/desktop crash? 

   KillUserProcesses=yes

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... and Fedora 25! - Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

[Ian Pilcher]

On 10/04/2016 01:03 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>  On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:31:43PM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> >
> > Can you clarify?  In what circumstances would the dnf command running
> > within a screen session not survive an X/desktop crash?
>
>
>     KillUserProcesses=yes
>  
Ouch!  Forgot about that.

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... and Fedora 25! - Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

[Martin Kolman]

On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 18:19 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>  On 10/04/2016 01:03 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>  > 
>  > On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:31:43PM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Can you clarify?  In what circumstances would the dnf command
>  > > running
>  > > within a screen session not survive an X/desktop crash?
>  > 
>  > 
>  >    KillUserProcesses=yes
>  > 
>  
>  Ouch!  Forgot about that.
>   
BTW, was there any progress in making screen & tmux aware of this, so
that screen and tmux sessions are not killed when the user logs out or
- as in this case - the graphical session crashes ?

... and Fedora 25! - Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 12:38:15PM +0200, Martin Kolman wrote:
>  > >    KillUserProcesses=yes
>  > Ouch!  Forgot about that.
>  BTW, was there any progress in making screen & tmux aware of this, so
>  that screen and tmux sessions are not killed when the user logs out or
>  - as in this case - the graphical session crashes ? 
Some, but not complete, so change was deferred to F26. See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1357426

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