7:06 p.m.
Hi,
Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
long time now.
Rahul
7:22 p.m.
On 03/26/2010 08:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
long time now.
X developers on linux-kernel list continue to recommend use of nv as a
nouveau alternative, when problems with nouveau crop up. As recently as
a couple weeks ago...
Jeff
6:44 a.m.
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:36:29AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
long time now.
Has to be said that I've always had better luck with nv. Nouveau has
"seemed" to be very unstable to me (although it's always been hard to
pin down actual reproducible bugs). I never used and don't care about
any 3D or advanced features though ...
Rich.
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6:14 p.m.
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:44 +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:36:29AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
>
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
>
> They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
> the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
> long time now.
Has to be said that I've always had better luck with nv. Nouveau has
"seemed" to be very unstable to me (although it's always been hard to
pin down actual reproducible bugs). I never used and don't care about
any 3D or advanced features though ...
Ben is very keen to fix problems in nouveau and has lots of ideas for
tracking them down. If you're having trouble please do file a bug even
if you can't quite pin it down yourself, we may be able to figure
something out.
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6:32 p.m.
Adam Williamson writes:
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:44 +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> Has to be said that I've always had better luck with nv. Nouveau has
> "seemed" to be very unstable to me (although it's always been hard to
> pin down actual reproducible bugs). I never used and don't care about
> any 3D or advanced features though ...
Ben is very keen to fix problems in nouveau and has lots of ideas for
tracking them down. If you're having trouble please do file a bug even
if you can't quite pin it down yourself, we may be able to figure
something out.
On my laptop nouveau has been rock stable. Absolutely no problems (NV43,
Geforce Go 6600). I'm patiently waiting to see how well compiz eye candy
will work.
6:48 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 19:32 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Adam Williamson writes:
> On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:44 +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
>> Has to be said that I've always had better luck with nv. Nouveau has
>> "seemed" to be very unstable to me (although it's always been hard
to
>> pin down actual reproducible bugs). I never used and don't care about
>> any 3D or advanced features though ...
>
> Ben is very keen to fix problems in nouveau and has lots of ideas for
> tracking them down. If you're having trouble please do file a bug even
> if you can't quite pin it down yourself, we may be able to figure
> something out.
On my laptop nouveau has been rock stable. Absolutely no problems (NV43,
Geforce Go 6600). I'm patiently waiting to see how well compiz eye candy
will work.
If you're on f13, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and try
it. If it breaks you get to keep both pieces :)
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6:52 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:48:06 -0700,
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
If you're on f13, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and try
it. If it breaks you get to keep both pieces :)
Please update us on when he is ready for bug reports for that version.
Several 3d games don't work.
7:44 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 18:52 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:48:06 -0700,
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> If you're on f13, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and try
> it. If it breaks you get to keep both pieces :)
Please update us on when he is ready for bug reports for that version.
Several 3d games don't work.
It may be best to ask upstream nouveau, actually. Ben isn't the one
doing the main work on the advanced 3D stuff. I'm not sure how
interested they are in reports for it, yet, since it's known to be very
incomplete.
For Fedora, we mostly care about desktop acceleration - especially
having enough support in place for GNOME Shell to work.
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9:11 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 17:44:48 -0700,
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 18:52 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:48:06 -0700,
> Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you're on f13, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and try
> > it. If it breaks you get to keep both pieces :)
>
> Please update us on when he is ready for bug reports for that version.
> Several 3d games don't work.
It may be best to ask upstream nouveau, actually. Ben isn't the one
doing the main work on the advanced 3D stuff. I'm not sure how
interested they are in reports for it, yet, since it's known to be very
incomplete.
The upstream web page indicates that they aren't ready for 3d bug reports.
I thought Ben might have a bit more working here and thought it worth
asking about.
10:57 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 21:11 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 17:44:48 -0700,
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 18:52 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:48:06 -0700,
> > Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you're on f13, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and
try
> > > it. If it breaks you get to keep both pieces :)
> >
> > Please update us on when he is ready for bug reports for that version.
> > Several 3d games don't work.
>
> It may be best to ask upstream nouveau, actually. Ben isn't the one
> doing the main work on the advanced 3D stuff. I'm not sure how
> interested they are in reports for it, yet, since it's known to be very
> incomplete.
The upstream web page indicates that they aren't ready for 3d bug reports.
I thought Ben might have a bit more working here and thought it worth
asking about.
Ah, I see. No, the 3D stuff is basically just coming straight down the
pipe from upstream; Ben isn't writing much of that code.
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5:01 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:48:06 -0700,
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> If you're on f13, you can install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and try
> it. If it breaks you get to keep both pieces :)
Please update us on when he is ready for bug reports for that version.
Several 3d games don't work.
From the mesa changelog:
"Note: experimental means it doesn't work, don't file bugs unless they
contain patches."
12:58 p.m.
On Wednesday 31 March 2010, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:44 +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:36:29AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
> >
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
> >
> > They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
> > the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
> > long time now.
>
> Has to be said that I've always had better luck with nv. Nouveau has
> "seemed" to be very unstable to me (although it's always been hard to
> pin down actual reproducible bugs). I never used and don't care about
> any 3D or advanced features though ...
Ben is very keen to fix problems in nouveau and has lots of ideas for
tracking them down. If you're having trouble please do file a bug even
if you can't quite pin it down yourself, we may be able to figure
something out.
Just one data point, maybe an isolated one, dunno:
That sounds encouraging, but it doesn't match with my recent experience: for 3
weeks I thought F-13 kernels not booting for me was a nouveau issue (my bug
report had nouveau in the bug summary during that time). It may be something
different after all, but I still don't know for sure and there was and still
has not been a word from the bug assignees/Cc'd people. Not sure if Ben is
among them though. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571587
2:25 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 20:58 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote:
On Wednesday 31 March 2010, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:44 +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:36:29AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
> > >
> > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
> > >
> > > They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
> > > the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
> > > long time now.
> >
> > Has to be said that I've always had better luck with nv. Nouveau has
> > "seemed" to be very unstable to me (although it's always been
hard to
> > pin down actual reproducible bugs). I never used and don't care about
> > any 3D or advanced features though ...
>
> Ben is very keen to fix problems in nouveau and has lots of ideas for
> tracking them down. If you're having trouble please do file a bug even
> if you can't quite pin it down yourself, we may be able to figure
> something out.
Just one data point, maybe an isolated one, dunno:
That sounds encouraging, but it doesn't match with my recent experience: for 3
weeks I thought F-13 kernels not booting for me was a nouveau issue (my bug
report had nouveau in the bug summary during that time). It may be something
different after all, but I still don't know for sure and there was and still
has not been a word from the bug assignees/Cc'd people. Not sure if Ben is
among them though. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571587
He isn't. When you hit something like this, you can in fact file the bug
against the X driver component, even though it's technically in the
kernel, as the X driver maintainer is likely the one handling the kernel
code, and more interested in it. At least, you can CC the maintainer on
the bug.
I'll add Ben to the CC for this bug.
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3:44 a.m.
They are deprecating it on *new* hardware - the Fermi architecture and
the follow-ups. They explicitely state that they're going to continue
supporting it on existing hardware for the foreseeable future, within
reason. I don't see why it should get dropped yet.
On 03/27/2010 02:06 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
Nvidia has announced that they are deprecating it
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.html
They are recommending users to use Vesa instead as the replacement but
the real reason appears to be Nouveau which Fedora has supported for a
long time now.
Rahul
1:47 p.m.
Mihai Limbasan wrote:
They are deprecating it on *new* hardware - the Fermi architecture
and
the follow-ups. They explicitely state that they're going to continue
supporting it on existing hardware for the foreseeable future, within
reason. I don't see why it should get dropped yet.
Because Nouveau replaces it?
That said, there's some ancient chipset series which is supported by nv and
not by Nouveau, so I guess it's useful to keep nv around for that one.
Kevin Kofler
6:48 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 20:47 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Mihai Limbasan wrote:
> They are deprecating it on *new* hardware - the Fermi architecture and
> the follow-ups. They explicitely state that they're going to continue
> supporting it on existing hardware for the foreseeable future, within
> reason. I don't see why it should get dropped yet.
Because Nouveau replaces it?
That said, there's some ancient chipset series which is supported by nv and
not by Nouveau, so I guess it's useful to keep nv around for that one.
Yeah, the Riva 128 and Riva TNT (aka nv01 and nv02). I think I've come
across two people still running these cards :). They do work with vesa,
though...not as fast as nv.
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