For my own purposes, I'm going to package: prcs qmail distcc gcc to mingw cross-compiler fltk I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 09:11:30AM -0800, George Garvey wrote:
For my own purposes, I'm going to package: prcs qmail distcc gcc to mingw cross-compiler fltk I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
Qmail has a non-Open Source license.
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 12:21, Jos Vos wrote:
I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
Qmail has a non-Open Source license.
Allow me to add to that. The Qmail license strictly prohibits distribution of modified sources, and the same goes for binaries. This makes distribution of qmail for modern-day systems downright impossible, since Qmail does not compile at all on gcc-3.x. There is a patch that works around this problem, but, of course, one is not allowed to distribute binaries with this patch applied, so distributing legal binaries for a gcc-3 based system is therefore impossible. If this sounds nuts -- it is.
(e.g. see http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/misc/qmail/debacle.html for a very lively conversation that I had with the qmail-dist list when I was looking to become a distributor myself. There are some real pearls in there).
Due to its murky and restrictive license, I'm pretty sure that Qmail will never appear in Fedora Core.
I myself would like to get out of distributing it, but that involves a migration effort. :)
Regards,
Is there a way to fork QMail and make it a side project of Fedora?
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 12:21, Jos Vos wrote:
I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others?
Want
them passed on?
Qmail has a non-Open Source license.
Allow me to add to that. The Qmail license strictly prohibits distribution of modified sources, and the same goes for binaries. This makes distribution of qmail for modern-day systems downright impossible, since Qmail does not compile at all on gcc-3.x. There is a patch that works around this problem, but, of course, one is not allowed to distribute binaries with this patch applied, so distributing legal binaries for a gcc-3 based system is therefore impossible. If this sounds nuts -- it is.
(e.g. see http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/misc/qmail/debacle.html for a very lively conversation that I had with the qmail-dist list when I was looking to become a distributor myself. There are some real pearls in there).
Due to its murky and restrictive license, I'm pretty sure that Qmail will never appear in Fedora Core.
I myself would like to get out of distributing it, but that involves a migration effort. :)
Regards,
Konstantin Riabitsev icon@linux.duke.edu Linux@DUKE
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 03:02:58PM -0500, Matt Jarjoura wrote:
Is there a way to fork QMail and make it a side project of Fedora?
License-wise: no.
Jos Vos wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 03:02:58PM -0500, Matt Jarjoura wrote:
Is there a way to fork QMail and make it a side project of Fedora?
License-wise: no.
The qmail license situation is a bit of a mess. What would be nice is a guide to migrating to something that *can* be distributed by modern distributions.
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
Koz
Well there exists that QMail Toaster project which forks Qmail quite a bit towards a pretty industrious email system.
It's a shame that qmail is in such a mess, the source itself hasn't been updated in 2 years. *sigh*
LOL, any influential people on this list who can get that Dan guy to move over to BSD or GPL license?? :-)
-Matt
Jos Vos wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 03:02:58PM -0500, Matt Jarjoura wrote:
Is there a way to fork QMail and make it a side project of Fedora?
License-wise: no.
The qmail license situation is a bit of a mess. What would be nice is a guide to migrating to something that *can* be distributed by modern distributions.
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
Koz
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On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 10:35, Matt Jarjoura wrote:
Well there exists that QMail Toaster project which forks Qmail quite a bit towards a pretty industrious email system.
It's a shame that qmail is in such a mess, the source itself hasn't been updated in 2 years. *sigh*
LOL, any influential people on this list who can get that Dan guy to move over to BSD or GPL license?? :-)
-Matt
Last I looked at qmail toaster SRPMS maybe two months ago, they were absolutely unacceptable in quality.
Warren
Dear "Michael A. Koziarski",
Once you wrote about "Re: Packages RFC": MAK> Jos Vos wrote: MAK> >On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 03:02:58PM -0500, Matt Jarjoura wrote: MAK> >>Is there a way to fork QMail and make it a side project of Fedora? MAK> >License-wise: no. MAK> MAK> The qmail license situation is a bit of a mess. What would be nice is a MAK> guide to migrating to something that *can* be distributed by modern MAK> distributions. MAK> MAK> I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of MAK> qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide MAK> conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help MAK> people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup. MAK> MAK> Does anyone have any ideas?
Have you looked into Exim ( http://www.exim.org ) ?
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 23:20, Michael A. Koziarski wrote:
The qmail license situation is a bit of a mess. What would be nice is a guide to migrating to something that *can* be distributed by modern distributions.
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup.
Does anyone have any ideas?
All of my friends still using qmail absolutely refuse to migrate because they are using vpopmail. vpopmail itself is an abomination for packagers for several reasons, and it requires qmail for some aspect of its function. Sure it works with postfix, but it still requires qmail installed if you insist on using it with postfix.
Warren
On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 01:20, Michael A. Koziarski wrote:
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup.
Does anyone have any ideas?
I believe that Postfix can deliver to Maildirs, and Dovecot can be used to access them over IMAP/POP.
Wil
On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 01:20, Michael A. Koziarski wrote: I believe that Postfix can deliver to Maildirs, and Dovecot can be used to access them over IMAP/POP.
Will Postfix handle qmail's hyphenated delivery? I personally have too many mailing lists using that feature right now. Don't want the work of switching them all over to something else.
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:11, George Garvey wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 01:20, Michael A. Koziarski wrote: I believe that Postfix can deliver to Maildirs, and Dovecot can be used to access them over IMAP/POP.
Will Postfix handle qmail's hyphenated delivery? I personally have too many mailing lists using that feature right now. Don't want the work of switching them all over to something else.
What is hyphenated delivery? I googled and didn't find anything that seemed to make sense. (Feel free to point me to the FM.)
I know that postfix can be configured to support things like jeremyp+fedora@example.com, and then deliver to the "jeremyp" mailbox so that you can sort on the To: line. Is that what you mean?
--Jeremy
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 06:38:25PM -0500, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 18:11, George Garvey wrote:
Will Postfix handle qmail's hyphenated delivery? I personally have too many mailing lists using that feature right now. Don't want the work of switching them all over to something else.
What is hyphenated delivery? I googled and didn't find anything that seemed to make sense. (Feel free to point me to the FM.)
I know that postfix can be configured to support things like jeremyp+fedora@example.com, and then deliver to the "jeremyp" mailbox so that you can sort on the To: line. Is that what you mean?
More or less. qmail does it with hyphens. See my from address. Believe qmail actually calls them "extension addresses." Had to look that up. Wouldn't be surprised that Postfix did it, but differently. Maybe there's compatibility in there samewhere. Will look into that when have time.
All of this is pretty irrelevant. Don't expect Fedora or Redhat to ever support qmail, and can certainly understand not doing it. At the time qmail was started here, it was a better alternative than sendmail, and there weren't that many choices.
More or less. qmail does it with hyphens. See my from address. Believe qmail actually calls them "extension addresses." Had to look that up. Wouldn't be surprised that Postfix did it, but differently. Maybe there's compatibility in there samewhere. Will look into that when have time.
All of this is pretty irrelevant. Don't expect Fedora or Redhat to ever support qmail, and can certainly understand not doing it. At the time qmail was started here, it was a better alternative than sendmail, and there weren't that many choices.
postfix can do this too with regexp for aliases.
-sv
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 16:38, George Garvey wrote:
More or less. qmail does it with hyphens. See my from address. Believe qmail actually calls them "extension addresses." Had to look that up. Wouldn't be surprised that Postfix did it, but differently. Maybe there's compatibility in there samewhere. Will look into that when have time.
Yes. By default it uses '+', but it can be changed by setting 'recipient_delimiter'.
Wil
Le dim 26/10/2003 à 22:57, Wil Cooley a écrit :
On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 01:20, Michael A. Koziarski wrote:
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup.
Does anyone have any ideas?
I believe that Postfix can deliver to Maildirs, and Dovecot can be used to access them over IMAP/POP.
I'm using this here (in fact fetchmail -> postfix -> procmail -> spamassassin -> maildir -> dovecot). And it's a real pleasure, much more than wu imap ever was (did you say rebuild to change a config option ?)
You can skip the procmail -> spamassassin bit if you want, postfix can deliver directly to maildir.
Cheers,
I really appreciate the info about Postfix. It was very helpful.
I won't be responding to anything more list mails on the subject of Postfix or qmail, though. This is really the wrong list for such things, and you've all been very gracious.
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael A. Koziarski wrote:
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated. Plus it will help people migrate to a more official fedora-core setup.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Postfix!!
Michael A. Koziarski wrote:
The qmail license situation is a bit of a mess. What would be nice is a guide to migrating to something that *can* be distributed by modern distributions.
I currently have several gigabytes of my family's mail in hundreds of qmail Maildirs. An MDA that can read those as is, or can provide conversion scripts, would be greatly appreciated.
Consider Courier: http://www.courier-mta.org/
It's extremely similar to qmail in its function and configuration. Migration should be very easy. It was for me.
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Konstantin Riabitsev wrote:
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 12:21, Jos Vos wrote:
I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
Qmail has a non-Open Source license.
Allow me to add to that. The Qmail license strictly prohibits distribution of modified sources, and the same goes for binaries.
I believe that Debian works around this by distributing the equivalent of a src.rpm that wget's the qmail source as part of the build process.
Regards,
Best Regards, Alex.
Le dim 26/10/2003 à 21:58, rhldevel@assursys.co.uk a écrit :
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Konstantin Riabitsev wrote:
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 12:21, Jos Vos wrote:
I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
Qmail has a non-Open Source license.
Allow me to add to that. The Qmail license strictly prohibits distribution of modified sources, and the same goes for binaries.
I believe that Debian works around this by distributing the equivalent of a src.rpm that wget's the qmail source as part of the build process.
Then just redistribute a src.rpm or even a nosrc.rpm only.
Automated remote download during build process is plain ugly (and dangerous).
Cheers,
If you're ever interested, fltk has been published in fedora.us some days ago.
D
Le dim 26/10/2003 à 18:11, George Garvey a écrit :
For my own purposes, I'm going to package: prcs qmail distcc gcc to mingw cross-compiler fltk I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:11:30 -0800, George Garvey wrote:
For my own purposes, I'm going to package: prcs qmail distcc gcc to mingw cross-compiler fltk I doubt qmail is of interest to Fedora, but what about the others? Want them passed on?
Until Fedora Extras gets alive, FLTK has been packaged at fedora.us already. But usually there is much opportunity for team-work or taking over a package if you'd like to. Just talk to the current packager.
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