Eclipse on Linux Distributions eclipse.org project approved

[Andrew Overholt]

Hi,

At EclipseCon 2006, Ben Konrath and I met Matt Ryan from Novell.  We talked
about the general issues hurting Eclipse adoption in the Linux and FOSS
communities.  Matt took the lead out of our conversations and along with
“Eclipse people” from other major distros, we proposed [1] the “Eclipse on
Linux Distributions” project at eclipse.org.

Last week, the project had its Creation Review [2] and it was a success!
I’d like to see most, if not all, of the work that our group is doing —
ChangeLog, autotools, specfile editing, packaging tools, etc. — get more
visibility as part of this project.  We’re also looking forward to
collaborating with developers and packagers from other distributions.
Having this work under the eclipse.org umbrella will give it better
exposure and hopefully help in achieving our goal of bringing Eclipse
technology to Linux distribution users.

As usual, everyone is invited to join in our work.  We hope to see some of
you on IRC (#fedora-java), fedora-devel-java-list(a)redhat.com, the upstream
mailing lists (linux-distros-dev(a)eclipse.org ... at least for now - it may
change to be linuxtools-dev(a)eclipse.org but that's yet to be finalized),
etc.

Thanks,

Andrew

[1]
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/linux-distro/

[2]
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/linux-distro/LinuxDistrosCreationReview.pdf

[Stefan Held]

Am Donnerstag, den 30.11.2006, 17:20 -0500 schrieb Andrew Overholt: 
>  Hi,
>  
>  At EclipseCon 2006, Ben Konrath and I met Matt Ryan from Novell.  We talked
>  about the general issues hurting Eclipse adoption in the Linux and FOSS
>  communities.  Matt took the lead out of our conversations and along with
>  “Eclipse people” from other major distros, we proposed [1] the “Eclipse on
>  Linux Distributions” project at eclipse.org. 
Hi Andrew. This sound really like a good plan. I use Eclipse now as a
daily basis for j2ee development work.

What sucks most ist not how Eclipse is included into the major
distributions, its the java runtime or development kit.

As now Sun has been coming forward with plans to switch java over to the
gpl are there any community plans for Fedora to include Suns Java into
the Desktop? 

Why has noone ever asked Sun for a binary distribution License and
created two groups for yum which the user is up to decide wether he can
live with gcj and classpath or a traditional jdk environment?

>  Last week, the project had its Creation Review [2] and it was a
> success!
>  I’d like to see most, if not all, of the work that our group is doing —
>  ChangeLog, autotools, specfile editing, packaging tools, etc. — get more
>  visibility as part of this project.  We’re also looking forward to
>  collaborating with developers and packagers from other distributions.
>  Having this work under the eclipse.org umbrella will give it better
>  exposure and hopefully help in achieving our goal of bringing Eclipse
>  technology to Linux distribution users. 
I am happy to see that this gets adressed now. Keep going! :)

>  As usual, everyone is invited to join in our work.  We hope to see
> some of
>  you on IRC (#fedora-java), fedora-devel-java-list(a)redhat.com, the upstream
>  mailing lists (linux-distros-dev(a)eclipse.org ... at least for now - it may
>  change to be linuxtools-dev(a)eclipse.org but that's yet to be finalized),
>  etc.
>   
Subscribing right now.

>  Thanks,
>  
>  Andrew 

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Stefan Held wrote:

>  As now Sun has been coming forward with plans to switch java over to
> the
>  gpl are there any community plans for Fedora to include Suns Java into
>  the Desktop?  
See list archives for the recent discussions. When Sun has a buildable 
Free software JDK then this can be considered. The tentative timeline 
for that is March 2007 and even then the JDK might be available for PPC 
architecture. So alteast for the next release of Fedora we will probably 
continue to only include GCJ.

>  
>  Why has noone ever asked Sun for a binary distribution License and
>  created two groups for yum which the user is up to decide wether he can
>  live with gcj and classpath or a traditional jdk environment? 
Fedora Project wouldnt ship binary only software anyway so there was no 
incentive to negotiate such a agreement. However the jpackage.org folks 
already have done the work necessary and Fedora includes the 
"alternatives" package which allows you to switch between GCJ and Sun 
JDK. See man alternatives for details.

Rahul

[Stefan Held]

Am Sonntag, den 03.12.2006, 05:11 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:

>  Fedora Project wouldnt ship binary only software anyway so there was
> no  

http://www.sun.com/software/communitysource/j2se/java2/download.xml


You only need this aggrement to build your own java version from the
source and distribute it. Exactly like you need it for Firefox.

This license was nessesary because M$ tried to sell Java as theire own
creation (M$ JVM). Please do not cry out FUD.

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml


Nice to see that other projects managed this .....

>  incentive to negotiate such a agreement. However the jpackage.org
> folks  
[sheld@develop ~]$ rpm -qa | grep sun
java-1.5.0-sun-plugin-1.5.0.09-1jpp
java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.09-1jpp

>  already have done the work necessary and Fedora includes the 
>  "alternatives" package which allows you to switch between GCJ and Sun 
>  JDK. See man alternatives for details. 
[sheld@develop ~]$ ls -la
/etc/alternatives/java

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 30. Nov 01:43 /etc/alternatives/java
-> /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-sun/bin/java

>  Rahul 
I am not exactly sure how such answers help .......


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[Rahul Sundaram]

Stefan Held wrote:
>  http://www.sun.com/software/communitysource/j2se/java2/download.xml
>  
>  
>  You only need this aggrement to build your own java version from the
>  source and distribute it. Exactly like you need it for Firefox. 
This is not a Free software license which is a requirement for inclusion 
in Fedora. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives and 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Legal. Just a week or 
so back I attended a Sun presentation on open source Java where they 
admitted to not having complete source code under a Free software 
license since portions of code is licensed by Sun from other vendors. 
Like I said the tentative timeline to remove that encumbrances is March 
2007.

>  This license was nessesary because M$ tried to sell Java as theire
> own
>  creation (M$ JVM). Please do not cry out FUD. 
You misunderstood. Major portions of Sun Java is under a GPL+classpath 
exception license currently. See https://openjdk.dev.java.net/
However there are portions of it still not available a Free software 
license due to it being licensed from other vendors.

>  http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml
>  
>  
>  Nice to see that other projects managed this ..... 
Fedora Project is not willing to negotiate agreements to include 
proprietary software unlike the FreeBSD foundation.

>  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 30. Nov 01:43 /etc/alternatives/java
>  -> /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-sun/bin/java
>  I am not exactly sure how such answers help ....... 
If you already knew about alternatives, thats the extend of support we 
can currently provide for other JVM's.

Rahul

[Giandomenico De Tullio]

Stefan Held ha scritto:

> > incentive to negotiate such a agreement. However the jpackage.org
> folks 
>  
>  [sheld@develop ~]$ rpm -qa | grep sun
>  java-1.5.0-sun-plugin-1.5.0.09-1jpp
>  java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.09-1jpp 
and
java-1.5.0-sun-compat  package:

Description :
This package provides JPackage compatibility symlinks and directories
for the vendor's JDK rpm.

[fedora-java] Eclipse on Linux Distributions eclipse.org project approved

[Benjamin Konrath]

Hi Andrew, 

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 17:20 -0500, Andrew Overholt wrote:
>  Last week, the project had its Creation Review [2] and it was a
> success! 
I just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work in bringing this
project through the creation review.

Cheers, Ben