Changes in the f22 workstation

[Matthias Clasen]

I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of 
workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) 
this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:

- The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown 
at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)

- The gnome-shell theme has been refreshed

- The login screen is using Wayland (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland)

- Codec installation has been integrated in gnome-software (currently 
this is hooked up in totem)

- Nautilus has received a number of improvements (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements)

Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes.


Thanks! Matthias

[Pete Travis]

On Feb 20, 2015 2:09 PM, "Matthias Clasen" <mclasen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of
>  workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide)
>  this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
>
>  - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown
>  at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)
>
>  - The gnome-shell theme has been refreshed
>
>  - The login screen is using Wayland (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland)
>
>  - Codec installation has been integrated in gnome-software (currently
>  this is hooked up in totem)
>
>  - Nautilus has received a number of improvements (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements)
>
>  Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes.
>
>
>  Thanks! Matthias
>
>  -- 
I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well on my
systems.  Can you talk about fallback strategies a bit?  Can GDM detect
when Wayland isn't working well enough to be usable, and cleanly fall
back?   That's probably a big ask, though; presumably this can be set one
way or another by the user?

--Pete

[Ray Strode]

Hi,

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Pete Travis <lists(a)petetravis.com&gt; wrote:
>  I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well
> on my
>  systems.  Can you talk about fallback strategies a bit?  Can GDM detect when
>  Wayland isn't working well enough to be usable, and cleanly fall back? 
It tries
to.  We do start X in a different way now when falling back
(as part of the user session, instead of as root outside of the user
session), so there may be bugs that need to get ironed out.  It worked
okay in my limited testing though (putting nomodeset on the kernel
commandline on my intel based laptop)

>  That's probably a big ask, though; presumably this can be set one
> way or
>  another by the user? 
Right you can put WaylandEnable=false in the [daemon] section
of
/etc/gdm/custom.conf to skip wayland altogether.

--Ray

[drago01]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Pete Travis <lists(a)petetravis.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Feb 20, 2015 2:09 PM, "Matthias Clasen" <mclasen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of
> > workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide)
> > this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
> >
> > - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown
> > at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)
> >
> > - The gnome-shell theme has been refreshed
> >
> > - The login screen is using Wayland (
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Login_Screen_Over_Wayland)
> >
> > - Codec installation has been integrated in gnome-software (currently
> > this is hooked up in totem)
> >
> > - Nautilus has received a number of improvements (
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements)
> >
> > Please let us know if you see any fallout from these changes.
> >
> >
> > Thanks! Matthias
> >
> > --
>
>  I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well on my
>  systems. 
Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work?

[Alexander Ploumistos]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work?
I tested the 20150218 image in a vm and when it booted, gdm did not
display the user list and there was no way to lift the screen lock.
Also, I was unable to switch to another vt. I know it's not a "real"
machine, but with the test image from a little less than a month ago,
I had no such issues.

When F21 came out, I had tried the wayland gnome session on an old
i686 system (dual Athlon MP, GeForce 6800) with both nouvau and with
the proprietary driver and the session just crashed every time.

[Vít Ondruch]

Same experience with gdm-3.15.90.1-1.fc23 here. I had to downgrade to
gdm-3.15.3.1-4.fc22.x86_64 to be able to log in again. Nevertheless, this seems to be know
issue, since there is already this [1] commit in dist-git, unfortunately the associated
sources are missing so far :/


[1]
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gdm.git/commit/?id=5c5ff1efb9b5901b544...

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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:55:01 AM
Subject: Re: Changes in the f22 workstation

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work?
I tested the 20150218 image in a vm and when it booted, gdm did not
display the user list and there was no way to lift the screen lock.
Also, I was unable to switch to another vt. I know it's not a "real"
machine, but with the test image from a little less than a month ago,
I had no such issues.

When F21 came out, I had tried the wayland gnome session on an old
i686 system (dual Athlon MP, GeForce 6800) with both nouvau and with
the proprietary driver and the session just crashed every time.
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[Ray Strode]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Vit Ondruch <vondruch(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Same experience with gdm-3.15.90.1-1.fc23 here. I had to downgrade to
> gdm-3.15.3.1-4.fc22.x86_64 to be able to log in again. Nevertheless, this seems to be know
> issue, since there is already this [1] commit in dist-git, unfortunately the associated
> sources are missing so far :/ 

odd i thought i built that yesterday. something must have went wrong,
will built it today


>  [1]
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gdm.git/commit/?id=5c5ff1efb9b5901b544...
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Alexander Ploumistos" <alex.ploumistos(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:55:01 AM
>  Subject: Re: Changes in the f22 workstation
>
>  On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Can you be more specific? What kind of systems? What didn't work?
>
>  I tested the 20150218 image in a vm and when it booted, gdm did not
>  display the user list and there was no way to lift the screen lock.
>  Also, I was unable to switch to another vt. I know it's not a "real"
>  machine, but with the test image from a little less than a month ago,
>  I had no such issues.
>
>  When F21 came out, I had tried the wayland gnome session on an old
>  i686 system (dual Athlon MP, GeForce 6800) with both nouvau and with
>  the proprietary driver and the session just crashed every time.
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[Ray Strode]

Hi,

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Ray Strode <halfline(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  odd i thought i built that yesterday. something must have went
> wrong,
>  will built it today 
I guess I got distracted and didn't upload the source
tarball.  building now.
In the meantime, you can workaround the bug by setting
InitialSetupEnable=false in /etc/gdm/custom.conf

--Ray

[Pádraig Brady]

On 20/02/15 21:09, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>  I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of 
>  workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) 
>  this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
>  
>  - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown 
>  at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications) 
This does seem like an improvement, following the general improvement
in notifications with each release.

However I'm surprised that there is still no mention of a permanent indicator
in the top bar, that notifications are present. This can be achieved with an
extension, but with large changes to notifications happening now, it would
seem like an ideal time to also introduce that change.
If you drill down through the comments at the above URL, you get to this:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641723

thanks,
Pádraig.

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
>  I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of 
>  workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) 
>  this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
>
>  - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown 
>  at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)
>  
Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy
integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on the
screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already "hidden"
in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy notification, it is
not obvious if next message arrived or not. I quite often miss new
messages now :(



Vít

[Matthias Clasen]

On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>  Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
>  > I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number 
>  > of  workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and 
>  > rawhide)  this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
>  > 
>  > - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now 
>  > shown 
>  > at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)
>  > 
>  
>  Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy 
>  integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on 
>  the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already 
>  "hidden" in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy 
>  notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I 
>  quite often miss new messages now :( 
The notification rewrite was a major change, some fallout has to be 
expected... we're working through these items now. Revisiting chat 
notifications in on the todo list before 3.16. Thanks for your 
feedback!

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 9.3.2015 v 14:59 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
>  On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
> >> I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number 
> >> of  workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and 
> >> rawhide)  this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
> >>
> >> - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now 
> >> shown 
> >> at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)
> >>
> > Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy 
> > integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on 
> > the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already 
> > "hidden" in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy 
> > notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I 
> > quite often miss new messages now :(
>  The notification rewrite was a major change, some fallout has to be 
>  expected... 
Understood ... One just never know what is fallout and what is feature ;)

>  we're working through these items now. Revisiting chat 
>  notifications in on the todo list before 3.16. Thanks for your 
>  feedback!
>  
Thanks.


Vít

[Bastien Nocera]

----- Original Message -----
>  Dne 9.3.2015 v 14:59 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
>  > On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>  >> Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
>  >>> I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number
>  >>> of  workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and
>  >>> rawhide)  this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week:
>  >>>
>  >>> - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now
>  >>> shown
>  >>> at the top, and can be reviewed in the calendar popup (
>  >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications)
>  >>>
>  >> Unfortunately, this is rather half baked, especially the Empathy
>  >> integration. Why I can reply just to notifications which are just on
>  >> the screen? Why I can't reply to notifications, which are already
>  >> "hidden" in calendar popup? Moreover, once there is empathy
>  >> notification, it is not obvious if next message arrived or not. I
>  >> quite often miss new messages now :(
>  > The notification rewrite was a major change, some fallout has to be
>  > expected...
>  
>  Understood ... One just never know what is fallout and what is feature ;) 
Asking would be a good first start instead of calling the feature "half-baked".

>  > we're working through these items now. Revisiting chat
>  > notifications in on the todo list before 3.16. Thanks for your
>  > feedback!
>  >
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  
>  Vít
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