Schedule for Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2022-09-20)

[Miro Hrončok]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Tuesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.libera.chat.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
   date -d '2022-09-20 17:00 UTC'


Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =

Nonresponsive maintainer: Daniel Bruno <dbruno>
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2852
APPROVED (+1, 0, -0)

Change: pcre deprecation
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2862
APPROVED (+3, 0, -0)

= Followups =

#2859 F37 incomplete Changes: 100% complete deadline
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2859

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic was 
submitted as an Fedora 37 update after it was deferred to Fedora 38. We need to 
decide what to do.

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

-- 
Miro Hrončok
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Phone: [phone]
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2022-09-20)

[Miro Hrončok]

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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2022-09-20)
===================================


Meeting started by mhroncok at 17:00:17 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2022-09-20/fesco.2022-09...
.



Meeting summary
---------------
* init process  (mhroncok, 17:00:27)

* #2859 F37 incomplete Changes: 100% complete deadline  (mhroncok,
   17:02:20)
   * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic
     was submitted as an Fedora 37 update after it was deferred to Fedora
     38. We need to decide what to do.   (mhroncok, 17:02:38)
   * LINK: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-19a88d07b6
     2 weeks ago  (mhroncok, 17:11:19)
   * LINK: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java
     (zbyszek, 17:12:32)
   * AGREED: The update may be shipped after Fedora  37 Beta release,
     before the Fedora 37 Final Freeze. (+7,0,-0)  (mhroncok, 17:12:48)

* Next week's chair  (mhroncok, 17:16:44)
   * ACTION: zbyszek will chair next meeting  (mhroncok, 17:17:53)

* Open Floor  (mhroncok, 17:18:03)

Meeting ended at 17:20:21 UTC.




Action Items
------------
* zbyszek will chair next meeting




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* zbyszek
   * zbyszek will chair next meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
   * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* mhroncok (40)
* jvanek (33)
* zodbot (14)
* nirik (7)
* adamw (7)
* zbyszek (6)
* sgallagh (4)
* salimma (3)
* mhayden (2)
* Eighth_Doctor (2)
* music[m] (2)
* kalev (2)
* decathorpe (0)
* dcantrell (0)
* music (0)
* Conan_Kudo (0)
* Pharaoh_Atem (0)
* Son_Goku (0)
* King_InuYasha (0)
* Sir_Gallantmon (0)

-- 
Miro Hrončok
-- 
Phone: [phone]
IRC: mhroncok

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2022-09-20)

[Kevin Kofler]

Miro Hrončok wrote:
>     *
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic
>       was submitted as an Fedora 37 update after it was deferred to Fedora
>       38. We need to decide what to do.   (mhroncok, 17:02:38) 
[snip]
>     * AGREED: The update may be shipped after Fedora  37 Beta
> release,
>       before the Fedora 37 Final Freeze. (+7,0,-0)  (mhroncok, 17:12:48) 
This makes a farce of the whole Change process. I do not see why a Change 
that was deferred to the next release can now be rushed in post Beta during 
a feature freeze period where only release-critical bugs should be fixed. 

(And in the particular case of this Change, I also do not see why it was 
approved at all, be it for Fedora 37, 38, or some future version, for the 
reasons that were already stated by me and others when the Change was pre-
announced for discussion. The feedback on the mailing list was entirely 
negative, the only people in favor were the submitters.)

        Kevin Kofler

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2022-09-20)

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 02:47:21AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>  Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  >    * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic
>  >      was submitted as an Fedora 37 update after it was deferred to Fedora
>  >      38. We need to decide what to do.   (mhroncok, 17:02:38)
>  [snip]
>  >    * AGREED: The update may be shipped after Fedora  37 Beta release,
>  >      before the Fedora 37 Final Freeze. (+7,0,-0)  (mhroncok, 17:12:48)
>  
>  This makes a farce of the whole Change process. I do not see why a Change 
>  that was deferred to the next release can now be rushed in post Beta during 
>  a feature freeze period where only release-critical bugs should be fixed.  
The impact was deemed to be small, (at least by me, I can't speak for the rest of
fesco)
Also QA was ok with it since any impacts should show up in final testing. 

>  (And in the particular case of this Change, I also do not see why it
> was 
>  approved at all, be it for Fedora 37, 38, or some future version, for the 
>  reasons that were already stated by me and others when the Change was pre-
>  announced for discussion. The feedback on the mailing list was entirely 
>  negative, the only people in favor were the submitters.) 
Not that the discussion was about all the changes/phases openjdk
maintainers wanted to make. ( ie,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MoveFedoraJDKsToBecomePortableJDKs ) 

This is just the first part and it had reasonable amount of support.
( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic )

kevin

Orphaning Falcon Re: Schedule for Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2022-09-20)

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

Dear all,

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 12:16:09PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
>  FESCo meeting Tuesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
>  irc.libera.chat.
>   
<snip>
>  Change: pcre deprecation
>  https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2862
>  APPROVED (+3, 0, -0)
>   
<snip>

As a heads-up, I'm orphaning Falcon. It uses pcre, upstream has not had
a commit for over 4 years, and disabling the module that requires pcre
causes build failure because other core components depend on it.

It shipped its own bundled pcre as an alternative, which sounds like an
even worse idea than linking against a deprecated system library.

If anyone want to take it up, be my guest, otherwise I suppose it will
just get reaped automatically in a few weeks.

Thanks,

-- 
Michel Alexandre Salim
identities: https://keyoxide.org/5dce2e7e9c3b1cffd335c1d78b229d2f7ccc04f2