Any plans to include kotlin in Fedora

[Code Zombie]

Hi

Kotlin is an open source project. Are there any plans to include its
compiler in Fedora (if not already) repositories? Currently, it is
installed manually on Linux to the best of my knowledge, but Mac systems
already install it with HomeBrew.

- Mehdi

[Dridi Boukelmoune]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:33 PM Code Zombie <codezombie724(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi
>
>  Kotlin is an open source project. Are there any plans to include its compiler in Fedora
> (if not already) repositories? Currently, it is installed manually on Linux to the best of
> my knowledge, but Mac systems already install it with HomeBrew. 
You could ask the same about Dart, or any other language with an
opensource toolchain missing from Fedora.

I think it boils down to having people to do the work, which is
probably not an easy task. I'm also assuming we'd need a more
up-to-date gradle package, which might not be a trivial task, and I
suspect that the build system is probably full of "Fedora violations"
between the need for an internet access, fetching pre-built
dependencies, bundling some dependencies...

That's usually what discourages me when I look at that kind of stack:
somewhat large and full of no-nos. So I have to assume Kotlin is
missing because nobody was bold enough to take it on (or nobody on
the Fedora project is interested in Kotlin).

Dridi

[Bill Chatfield]

 It's probably a good idea to make it available. If I could find time I would do it,
even though I think we have a proliferation of unnecessary new languages. But, people want
them so it's best to make them available.

    On Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 11:06:30 AM EST, Dridi Boukelmoune
<dridi.boukelmoune(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  
 
 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:33 PM Code Zombie <codezombie724(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi
>
>  Kotlin is an open source project. Are there any plans to include its compiler in Fedora
> (if not already) repositories? Currently, it is installed manually on Linux to the best of
> my knowledge, but Mac systems already install it with HomeBrew. 
You could ask the same about Dart, or any other language with an
opensource toolchain missing from Fedora.

I think it boils down to having people to do the work, which is
probably not an easy task. I'm also assuming we'd need a more
up-to-date gradle package, which might not be a trivial task, and I
suspect that the build system is probably full of "Fedora violations"
between the need for an internet access, fetching pre-built
dependencies, bundling some dependencies...

That's usually what discourages me when I look at that kind of stack:
somewhat large and full of no-nos. So I have to assume Kotlin is
missing because nobody was bold enough to take it on (or nobody on
the Fedora project is interested in Kotlin).

Dridi
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[Kevin Kofler]

Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
>  I think it boils down to having people to do the work, which is
>  probably not an easy task. I'm also assuming we'd need a more
>  up-to-date gradle package, which might not be a trivial task, and I
>  suspect that the build system is probably full of "Fedora violations"
>  between the need for an internet access, fetching pre-built
>  dependencies, bundling some dependencies... 
The main issue is that the dependency between Gradle and Kotlin is circular. 
Gradle is actually blocking, among other things, on Kotlin being packaged, 
and Kotlin is blocking on Gradle (which has been entirely retired because 
its maintainers were unable to keep it up to date). See the recent "Package 
uses Gradle (retired) to build: what to do?" thread.

Gradle also has a circular dependency of the same kind on its main 
implementation language, Groovy.

And of course, Gradle also has a trivial circular dependency on itself.

And finally, there is also Scala code in Gradle now. I am not sure whether 
the latest version of Scala can be built without Gradle or whether the 
dependency is circular there too.

        Kevin Kofler

[Code Zombie]

So I suppose if someone takes on Gradle again,  it would be possible to add
Kotlin to Fedora. But overall, it seems rather complicated.

-Mehdi

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 19:03 Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:

>  Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
>  > I think it boils down to having people to do the work, which is
>  > probably not an easy task. I'm also assuming we'd need a more
>  > up-to-date gradle package, which might not be a trivial task, and I
>  > suspect that the build system is probably full of "Fedora violations"
>  > between the need for an internet access, fetching pre-built
>  > dependencies, bundling some dependencies...
>
>  The main issue is that the dependency between Gradle and Kotlin is
>  circular.
>  Gradle is actually blocking, among other things, on Kotlin being packaged,
>  and Kotlin is blocking on Gradle (which has been entirely retired because
>  its maintainers were unable to keep it up to date). See the recent
>  "Package
>  uses Gradle (retired) to build: what to do?" thread.
>
>  Gradle also has a circular dependency of the same kind on its main
>  implementation language, Groovy.
>
>  And of course, Gradle also has a trivial circular dependency on itself.
>
>  And finally, there is also Scala code in Gradle now. I am not sure whether
>  the latest version of Scala can be built without Gradle or whether the
>  dependency is circular there too.
>
>          Kevin Kofler
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