F21 Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming

[Jaroslav Reznik]

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming  =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi

Change owner(s): Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; 

This is a change to make Lohit Oriya fonts name as per the guidelines by 
Odisha governement and improve Lohit Punjabi font name to avoid confusion 
between Arabic and Gurumukhi script fonts. It will change Lohit Oriya fonts to 
Lohit Odia and Lohit Punjabi to Lohit Gurumukhi. 

== Detailed description ==
Lohit fonts upstream is going to change two fonts name. Font name changes and 
detailed information is as follows

Lohit Oriya to Lohit Odia:
Odia language name was improperly translated and written as a Oriya. This has 
been corrected by Government of India in 2011 and it is called as a Odia now. 
Reference for same [1]. Discussion regarding same happened in Lohit fonts 
upstream [2] and it has been decided to change Lohit Oriya fonts name to Lohit 
Odia.

Lohit Punjabi to Lohit Gurumukhi:
Punjabi is a language and written by two script Arabic and Gurumukhi. Generic 
font name like Punjabi often create confusion whether this font is belonged to 
writing Punjabi in Arabic script or Gurumukhi script. It has become important 
to change font name from Lohit Punjabi to Lohit Gurumukhi. Lohit upstream has 
already accepted this change [3] and looks will release fonts with this name. 

== Scope == 
Developers need to accomplish following things.
* Upstream release with proposed font name changes. 
* New package request with corrected font names in upstream in Fedora by 
obsoleting existing packages. 
* Notifying Anaconda and Libreoffice langpacks to install renamed packages. 

Proposal owners:
* Working in upstream for release with names
* new package request.
* notifying package using Lohit fonts for updating it. 

Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Anaconda need to update default fonts installation list.
* Libreoffice lang pack requires need to change. 

Release engineering: No, mass rebuild required. 

Policies and guidelines: No change in policies and guideline. 

Change Wrangler note: a wider coordination is required for this Change but the 
scope is limited and will be covered by Change Owner.

[1]
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/parliament-passes-bill-to-change-orissa...
[2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/lohit-devel-list/2013-December/msg00001.html
 [3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/lohit-devel-list/2013-December/msg00009.html
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[Miloslav Trmač]

Hello,
2014-03-03 15:31 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com&gt;:

>  = Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming 
> =
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi
>  
<snip>

This

>  Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  
and this

>  * Anaconda need to update default fonts installation list.
>  * Libreoffice lang pack requires need to change.
>  
contradicts.

Formally, the process calls for either making this a system-wide change, or
for making the anaconda and libreoffice maintainers co-owners of the
self-contained change.  (It amounts to the same thing - they need know
about this.)


= User Experience =
>  This change proposal it noticeable by target audience as the default
> font
>  names for there language is going to change. They will see different font
>  name. 

What about pre-existing documents that refer to the old font names?  Will
they transparently use the new fonts?
    Mirek

On 4 March 2014 19:12, Miloslav Trmač <mitr(a)volny.cz&gt; wrote:

>  Hello,
>  2014-03-03 15:31 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com&gt;:
>
>  = Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming  =
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi
> >
>  <snip>
>
>  This
>
> > Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> >
>  and this
>
> > * Anaconda need to update default fonts installation list.
> > * Libreoffice lang pack requires need to change.
> >
>  contradicts.
>
>  Formally, the process calls for either making this a system-wide change,
>  or for making the anaconda and libreoffice maintainers co-owners of the
>  self-contained change.  (It amounts to the same thing - they need know
>  about this.)
>  
Yeah, I have completed most of the sections marked mandatory for system
wide change. I am fine with taking this as a system wide change.


>  = User Experience =
> > This change proposal it noticeable by target audience as the default font
> > names for there language is going to change. They will see different font
> > name.
>
>
>  What about pre-existing documents that refer to the old font names?
>  
I see this is the only place we have default fonts listed.
http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f20-defaultfonts.html
I think we can write clear i18n docs beat and mentioned about this change.



>    Will they transparently use the new fonts?
>  
Yes, since only font name is getting change. There will be not see much
difference in visual stuff.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute

[Miloslav Trmač]

2014-03-05 9:17 GMT+01:00 pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com <pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  On 4 March 2014 19:12, Miloslav Trmač <mitr(a)volny.cz&gt; wrote:
>
> > Formally, the process calls for either making this a system-wide change,
> > or for making the anaconda and libreoffice maintainers co-owners of the
> > self-contained change.  (It amounts to the same thing - they need know
> > about this.)
> >
>
>  Yeah, I have completed most of the sections marked mandatory for system
>  wide change. I am fine with taking this as a system wide change.
>  
Getting an anaconda/libreoffice maintainer to sign up to make this
self-contained might be easier - but that's purely up to you.

= User Experience =
> >> This change proposal it noticeable by target audience as the
> default
> >> font names for there language is going to change. They will see different
> >> font name.
> >
> >
> > What about pre-existing documents that refer to the old font names?
> >
>
>  I see this is the only place we have default fonts listed.
>  http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f20-defaultfonts.html
>  I think we can write clear i18n docs beat and mentioned about this change.
>  
No, I meant users' documents.  If I have a used LibreOffice to create a
document in F20, will it contain the old font names?  Will it automatically
use the corresponding renamed fonts on F21, or will it fall back to some
kind of default?
    Mirek

On 5 March 2014 16:51, Miloslav Trmač <mitr(a)volny.cz&gt; wrote:

>  2014-03-05 9:17 GMT+01:00 pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com
> <pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>
> > On 4 March 2014 19:12, Miloslav Trmač <mitr(a)volny.cz&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Formally, the process calls for either making this a system-wide change,
> >> or for making the anaconda and libreoffice maintainers co-owners of the
> >> self-contained change.  (It amounts to the same thing - they need know
> >> about this.)
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, I have completed most of the sections marked mandatory for system
> > wide change. I am fine with taking this as a system wide change.
> >
>
>  Getting an anaconda/libreoffice maintainer to sign up to make this
>  self-contained might be easier - but that's purely up to you.
>  
Sure, i will ping them.


>   = User Experience =
> >>> This change proposal it noticeable by target audience as the default
> >>> font names for there language is going to change. They will see different
> >>> font name.
> >>
> >>
> >> What about pre-existing documents that refer to the old font names?
> >>
> >
> > I see this is the only place we have default fonts listed.
> > http://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/f20-defaultfonts.html
> > I think we can write clear i18n docs beat and mentioned about this change.
> >
>
>  No, I meant users' documents.  If I have a used LibreOffice to create a
>  document in F20, will it contain the old font names?  Will it automatically
>  use the corresponding renamed fonts on F21, or will it fall back to some
>  kind of default?
>  
Valid point.
I will fix this by adding fontconfig Aliases. We can keep it for couple of
releases.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le Jeu 6 mars 2014 05:28, pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com a écrit :

>  Valid point.
>  I will fix this by adding fontconfig Aliases. We can keep it for couple of
>  releases. 
It costs little to keep them forever now

Documents have a very long lifetime

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

On 11 March 2014 19:25, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; wrote:

>  Le Jeu 6 mars 2014 05:28, pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com a écrit :
>
>  > Valid point.
>  > I will fix this by adding fontconfig Aliases. We can keep it for couple
>  of
>  > releases.
>
>  It costs little to keep them forever now
>
>  Documents have a very long lifetime
>  
Fare enough. I done builds with suggested change.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le Mer 5 mars 2014 09:17, pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com a écrit :

> >   Will they transparently use the new fonts?
> >
>
>  Yes, since only font name is getting change. There will be not see much
>  difference in visual stuff. 
The fontconfig files we ship should still alias the old names to the new ones

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

[Kevin Kofler]

Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

>  = Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming 
> =
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi
>  
>  Change owner(s): Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; 
According to:
http://snehakore.blogspot.com/2014/02/improvements-of-lohit-gurmukhi-2910...
the name should be Gurmukhi, not Gurumukhi.

        Kevin Kofler

On 6 March 2014 09:26, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:

>  Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
>  > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming  =
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi
>  >
>  > Change owner(s): Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt;
>
>  According to:
>
>  http://snehakore.blogspot.com/2014/02/improvements-of-lohit-gurmukhi-2910...
>  the name should be Gurmukhi, not Gurumukhi.
>  

My bad.
I will fix this, looks like i need to create different page with proper
title.

Regards,
Pravin Satpute

Two changes done
1. Moved page with correct name for Gurmukhi script.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurmukhi
2. Propose this change as a System wide since might be there are some other
packages i am not aware using old names.

Let me know if anything still missing.

Best Regards,
Pravin Satpute





On 6 March 2014 10:00, pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com <pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 6 March 2014 09:26, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:
>
> > Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> >
> > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming  =
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit_Odia_Gurumukhi
> > >
> > > Change owner(s): Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt;
> >
> > According to:
> >
> > http://snehakore.blogspot.com/2014/02/improvements-of-lohit-gurmukhi-2910...
> > the name should be Gurmukhi, not Gurumukhi.
> >
>
>
>  My bad.
>  I will fix this, looks like i need to create different page with proper
>  title.
>
>  Regards,
>  Pravin Satpute
>