Just tried the rawhide firefox on my FC3 (Gnome, Bluecurve) installation and noticed that the icons had changed to something that resembles the ones used by nautilus, epiphany, etc.
Is it possible to revert this to the original firefox icons (the ones used by the FC3 firefox, both are 1.0-versions)? If it is possible, how would one do that? (Without doing the obvious, recompiling, of course.)
Why are these icons used and not the original ones?
Would it be possible to, in the themes selection, add a theme named "firefox original", so that two choices exist, the (what I think they are called) Gnome specific icons, and the original firefox icons?
I really like the original firefox icons better, than the ones used by nautilus, epiphany, etc.
Lars
Hi,
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 22:51 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
Just tried the rawhide firefox on my FC3 (Gnome, Bluecurve) installation and noticed that the icons had changed to something that resembles the ones used by nautilus, epiphany, etc.
Is it possible to revert this to the original firefox icons (the ones used by the FC3 firefox, both are 1.0-versions)? If it is possible, how would one do that? (Without doing the obvious, recompiling, of course.)
I would have thought you could change the Firefox-specific application theme in Tools->Themes in Firefox, but it looks like there's no option there for now.
Why are these icons used and not the original ones?
We use a consistent icon theme across the whole desktop and apps. Application-specific theme systems are generally considered Evil.
The right fix if you like those Firefox icons would be for someone to make a theme in that style for the whole desktop.
Would it be possible to, in the themes selection, add a theme named "firefox original", so that two choices exist, the (what I think they are called) Gnome specific icons, and the original firefox icons?
Not in the global Prefs->Theme theme dialog since the firefox theme is only a firefox theme, not a desktop theme.
Havoc
Havoc Pennington wrote:
I would have thought you could change the Firefox-specific application theme in Tools->Themes in Firefox, but it looks like there's no option there for now.
No, the application icon is beyond the scope (and capability?) of the application's own theme.
Steven Garrity
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 19:13 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
Havoc Pennington wrote:
I would have thought you could change the Firefox-specific application theme in Tools->Themes in Firefox, but it looks like there's no option there for now.
No, the application icon is beyond the scope (and capability?) of the application's own theme.
I thought he was talking about the toolbar icons, not the icon in the menus/launchers.
Havoc
Havoc Pennington wrote:
I thought he was talking about the toolbar icons, not the icon in the menus/launchers.
I see - my mistake.
If rawhide does indeed pick up the Gnome theme icons (which is great), then perhaps we could also ship a "Firefox Default" theme with the default (windows) theme icons.
Steven Garrity
Hi
If rawhide does indeed pick up the Gnome theme icons (which is great), then perhaps we could also ship a "Firefox Default" theme with the default (windows) theme icons.
Steven Garrity
does that mean this gnome integration is a fedora specific patch not upstreamed?.
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
does that mean this gnome integration is a fedora specific patch not upstreamed?.
Rahul, Use of gnome-theme toolbar icons is probably a Fedora-specific patch *for now*, but will likely be included in a future release upstream release too.
My (limited) understanding is that it is still in pretty heavy development.
Steven Garrity
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 19:52 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
Havoc Pennington wrote:
I thought he was talking about the toolbar icons, not the icon in the menus/launchers.
I see - my mistake.
If rawhide does indeed pick up the Gnome theme icons (which is great), then perhaps we could also ship a "Firefox Default" theme with the default (windows) theme icons.
I think that would be nice, yep. We can't convince you to draw a whole desktop theme in that style can we? ;-)
Havoc
Havoc Pennington wrote:
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 19:52 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
If rawhide does indeed pick up the Gnome theme icons (which is great), then perhaps we could also ship a "Firefox Default" theme with the default (windows) theme icons.
I think that would be nice, yep. We can't convince you to draw a whole desktop theme in that style can we? ;-)
I'd *love* to see that - or rather, a style that was built from the ground up, rather than being built to mesh nicely with the Windows environment.
However, I'm only the guy would talks a lot and takes credit for everything. The actual artists behind the theme/toolbar artwork in Firefox are Kevin Gerich (http://www.kmgerich.com/) and Stephen Horlander.
I do think it is time to have another go at a great modern Gnome theme. Both Bluecurve and the default Gnome theme are showing their age.
Steven Garrity
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:12:35 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
I do think it is time to have another go at a great modern Gnome theme. Both Bluecurve and the default Gnome theme are showing their age.
Maybe, but I still quite like the stock GNOME artwork. Garret LeSage has done an Industrial firefox theme which makes it integrate a lot nicer with Industrial based desktops (so not stock Fedora unfortunately).
I'm not sure what you mean by Bluecurve showing its age though - it only came out with RH8, which I still remember clearly. That was only perhaps 2-3 years ago.
To be honest, while I love the Bluecurve filetype/app icons and "image represents task" idea, I was never that wild about the Bluecurve GTK+ stock artwork which to my eye does not look sharp or clear. The Industrial theme with the stock GNOME artwork is what I keep going back to, the matching Firefox theme is just a nice bonus.
Hi
I'm not sure what you mean by Bluecurve showing its age though - it only came out with RH8, which I still remember clearly. That was only perhaps 2-3 years ago.
it has also been revised heavily after that
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On 12/18/2004 05:12:35 PM, Steven Garrity wrote:
I do think it is time to have another go at a great modern Gnome theme. Both Bluecurve and the default Gnome theme are showing their age.
This (FC3) is the first time I really like Bluecurve, and I really liked it - enough that it's what I use, except I use Smokey-Blue icons.
If Bluecurve is showing its age, either it's a fine wine (as I think it has gotten better) or I'm showing my age ... a distinct possibility ;)
On 2004-12-19 (Sunday) 01:52, Havoc Pennington wrote:
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 19:13 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
Havoc Pennington wrote:
I would have thought you could change the Firefox-specific application theme in Tools->Themes in Firefox, but it looks like there's no option there for now.
No, the application icon is beyond the scope (and capability?) of the application's own theme.
I thought he was talking about the toolbar icons, not the icon in the menus/launchers.
What does this mean? All firefox's icons (menu/launcher and theme) are changed to something else?
Doncho N. Gunchev wrote:
What does this mean? All firefox's icons (menu/launcher and theme) are changed to something else?
For an example, see: http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/bluecurve_firefox.png
hp@redhat.com (Havoc Pennington) writes:
Why are these icons used and not the original ones?
We use a consistent icon theme across the whole desktop and apps. Application-specific theme systems are generally considered Evil.
I do not think so. A consistent theme across applications which are used only from time-to-time is ok. But when you use regularly an application you will want to configure certain aspects without affecting other apps with these settings.
E.g. in an often used application I need only the graphical icons, while I appreciate a text description in seldom used apps. Or, my XEmacs looks best with a dark gray as background whereas gnome uses white. The result can be found at [1]. Or, it is ok when most applications use a common proxy setting. But for web-viewing applications (browsers), individual settings should be possible (e.g. for anonymizing proxies).
Overall, I think that a too tight desktop-coupling should be avoided. You will have only disadvantages when the "right" desktop-environment is not used. E.g. when you do not use Gnome, you will be punished everytime when gnome-settions-daemon is executed as it misconfigures your keyboard settings ([2]). Or, opening the new, gnomeish 'save-as' dialog in firefox needs now 5-10 seconds; the plain old appeared immediatly.
Enrico
Footnotes: [1] http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ensc/colors-broken.png https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103521 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117221
Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
Just tried the rawhide firefox on my FC3 (Gnome, Bluecurve) installation and noticed that the icons had changed to something that resembles the ones used by nautilus, epiphany, etc.
Is it possible to revert this to the original firefox icons (the ones used by the FC3 firefox, both are 1.0-versions)? If it is possible, how would one do that? (Without doing the obvious, recompiling, of course.)
Why are these icons used and not the original ones?
Would it be possible to, in the themes selection, add a theme named "firefox original", so that two choices exist, the (what I think they are called) Gnome specific icons, and the original firefox icons?
I really like the original firefox icons better, than the ones used by nautilus, epiphany, etc.
Lars
I've noticed this too, and hated it. Not the change itself, since it is good to have consistent icons, but not being able to select old ones. I like the Firefox default ones and would like to have them back, thank you. This should be selectable in someway. I don't mind if its just an option in "prefs.js" or something, just don't force me to look at those ugly icons, I really like Firefox's default theme, _with_ its default icons.
Just a user, Carlos Rodrigues
lars@homer.se ("Lars E. Pettersson") writes:
Just tried the rawhide firefox on my FC3 (Gnome, Bluecurve) installation and noticed that the icons had changed to something that resembles the ones used by nautilus, epiphany, etc.
Is it possible to revert this to the original firefox icons (the ones used by the FC3 firefox, both are 1.0-versions)?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138988 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=138984
Or, a comparision of the new style (taken from [1]) with the old one is available at
http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~ensc/firefox-icons-compare.png
Enrico
Footnotes: [1] http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/bluecurve_firefox.png http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-December/msg00747....
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