Schedule for Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2023-02-28)

[Stephen Gallagher]

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Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Tuesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.libera.chat.

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  date -d '2023-02-28 17:00 UTC'


Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =

F38 incomplete Changes: testable deadline
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2955

AGREED: The Change "Drop NIS(+) support from PAM" has not
been implemented for F38 and will be returned to "incomplete" state
(+7, 0, -0)
AGREED: The Change "Retire the NIS(+) user-space utility
programs" has not been implemented for F38 and will be returned to
"incomplete" state (+7, 0, -0)
AGREED: The Change "Legacy Xorg driver removal" has not been
implemented for F38 and will be deferred to F39 (+7, 0, -0)
The Change "Modernize Live Media" has been updated to ON_QA status
AGREED: The Change "Ostree Native Container (Phase 2,
stable)" has not been implemented for F38 and will be deferred to
F39 (+7, 0, -0)
AGREED: In addition to being deferred to F39, FESCo requests
that the Change "Ostree Native Container (Phase 2, stable)" will
have a contingency deadline of F39 Beta Freeze and the Scope of the
proposal will be filled (+7, 0, -0)
AGREED: The Change "Unified kernel support phase 1" does not
seem to have been implemented fully yet, let's wait (+6, 1, -0)
The Change "RPMautospec by default" only changes the recommended
defaults in documentation. There is nothing to do regarding the F38
beta freeze.
The Change "Unflitered flathub" has been implemented and should be
testable.
AGREED: The Change "glibc32 Build Adjustments" has not been
implemented for F39, and has already been deferred since Fedora 29.
It is marked as "incomplete". Change owners can submit an updated
proposal at any time. (+7, 0, -0)
The Change "Haskell GHC 9.2 and Stackage 20" has been implemented
and is set to ON_QA.
AGREED: The Change "Enable bootupd for Fedora Silverblue &
Kinoite" does not look done yet, but we can't tell. Change owners
are asked for comment, and this will be discussed again next week.
(+6, 0, -0)

= Followups =



= New business =

#2960 FESCo blocker bug: Popular third-party RPMs fail to
install/update/remove in F38 due to security policies verification
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2960

#2951 Proposal: policy for resubmitting rejected proposals
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2951

#2956 Does FESCo want to implement the policy for retiring packages
with security bugs?
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2956

#2958 F38 incomplete changes: 100% complete deadline
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2958


= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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[Stephen Gallagher]

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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2023-02-28)
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Meeting started by sgallagh at 17:00:34 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2023-02-28/fesco.2023-02...
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Meeting summary
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* init process  (sgallagh, 17:00:34)

* #2960 FESCo blocker bug: Popular third-party RPMs fail to
  install/update/remove in F38 due to security policies verification
  (sgallagh, 17:04:09)
  * AGREED: FESCo agrees to block Beta for this issue. In order to
    unblock, RPM must accept SHA-1 hashes and DSA keys for Fedora 38,
    ideally with a deprecation warning that it will be disabled in F39.
    FESCo strongly advises against allowing these algorithms elsewhere,
    but will accept that for F38 if it's the only achievable, timely
    solution. (+8, 0, -0)  (sgallagh, 17:33:23)

* #2951 Proposal: policy for resubmitting rejected proposals  (sgallagh,
  17:33:46)

* #2956 Does FESCo want to implement the policy for retiring packages
  (sgallagh, 18:10:47)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2173769   (nirik,
    18:13:54)
  * AGREED: In the current environment, FESCo feels that the CVE bug
    process is insufficient to support implementing this policy. This
    can be revisited in the future if conditions improve. (+6, 0, -0)
    (sgallagh, 18:23:40)

* #2958 F38 incomplete changes: 100% complete deadline  (sgallagh,
  18:24:05)

* : Feature Incomplete: LLVM 16  (sgallagh, 18:26:38)

* Feature Incomplete: Unified Kernel Support (Phase 1)  (sgallagh,
  18:28:20)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2159490#c2 has the
    status as of a few weeks ago  (nirik, 18:29:33)

* Feature Incomplete: RPM Macros for Build Flags  (sgallagh, 18:31:30)

* Open Floor  (sgallagh, 18:36:28)

* Next Week's Chair  (sgallagh, 18:36:38)
  * ACTION: zbyszek to chair 2023-03-07 meeting  (sgallagh, 18:41:12)

* Open Floor  (sgallagh, 18:41:13)

Meeting ended at 18:45:55 UTC.




Action Items
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* zbyszek to chair 2023-03-07 meeting




Action Items, by person
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* zbyszek
  * zbyszek to chair 2023-03-07 meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




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