ibus and F11

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

Hi,

Peng Huang and Fedora i18n are submitting a Feature to use ibus [1] as the default input method system in F11.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus

iBus was added to Fedora during the F10 cycle and is under active development.  We now feel that it is ready for wider testing and to become sufficiency stable and featured to be the default input method for Fedora 11.

There will also be some more discussion about this in the Fedora I18n meeting tomorrow, announced last week. [2]

Jens

[1] http://code.google.com/p/ibus/

[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings

[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

On Monday, 19 January 2009 at 12:14, Jens Petersen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Peng Huang and Fedora i18n are submitting a Feature to use ibus [1] as the
> default input method system in F11.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus
>
> iBus was added to Fedora during the F10 cycle and is under active
> development.  We now feel that it is ready for wider testing and to become
> sufficiency stable and featured to be the default input method for Fedora 11.
>
> There will also be some more discussion about this in the Fedora I18n
> meeting tomorrow, announced last week. [2]

What's the migration path for SCIM users? Can I define my own shortcuts
for switching IMs, like in SCIM? Is there an applet for showing currently
selected IM, like in SCIM?

Regards,
R.

[Ryoji Kamei]

Hi,

I just read the wiki about iBus, and I have a question as a future user.
> scim loads engines as dl-modules so a problem in any engine can take 
> down scim, whereas in ibus because the processes are separated only a
> faulty process will die leaving rest of the system working normally.

Could anyone point me how iBus resolves input-spoofing or snooping problem?
Doesn't iBus relate inputting itself?
I think it may be a FAQ, however I didn't find it yet.

Jens Petersen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Peng Huang and Fedora i18n are submitting a Feature to use ibus [1] as the default input method system in F11.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus
>
> iBus was added to Fedora during the F10 cycle and is under active development.  We now feel that it is ready for wider testing and to become sufficiency stable and featured to be the default input method for Fedora 11.
>
> There will also be some more discussion about this in the Fedora I18n meeting tomorrow, announced last week. [2]
>
> Jens
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/ibus/
>
> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings

[Kevin Kofler]

Jens Petersen wrote:
> Peng Huang and Fedora i18n are submitting a Feature to use ibus [1] as the
> default input method system in F11.

WTF, how often is the wheel going to be reinvented? We've gone through XIM,
IIIMF, UIM (or the other way round), SCIM and now IBus...

Kevin Kofler

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

----- "Kevin Kofler"  wrote:
> WTF, how often is the wheel going to be reinvented? We've gone through XIM,
> IIIMF, [snip] SCIM and now IBus...

(uim has never been a default input-method system in fedora - though we still ship it.)

Until we have a good stable system that is well-designed and does what we want it to? :)

Jens

[Akira TAGOH]

> > > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:56:21 +0100,
> > > > > "KK" == Kevin Kofler  wrote:

KK> WTF, how often is the wheel going to be reinvented? We've gone through XIM,
KK> IIIMF, UIM (or the other way round), SCIM and now IBus...

We've never gone through UIM or any others the above. but
you're right. it's so often.

--
Akira TAGOH

[Ding Yi Chen]

於 二，2009-01-20 於 03:56 +0100，Kevin Kofler 提到：
> Jens Petersen wrote:
> > Peng Huang and Fedora i18n are submitting a Feature to use ibus [1] as the
> > default input method system in F11.
>
> WTF, how often is the wheel going to be reinvented? We've gone through XIM,
> IIIMF, UIM (or the other way round), SCIM and now IBus...
>     Kevin Kofler

Firstly. none of these wheels fits everyone's taste.
So there are  couples of others which are still active, such as OXIM,
GCIN....

Secondly, and most importantly, SCIM is end-of-production.

Regards,
Ding-Yi Chen

[Peter Gordon]

Aside from the benefits of having the IMEs more modularized and whatnot,
what would be the user-visible dis/advantages of iBus versus existing
SCIM usage?

For example, I use SCIM/Anthy to input Japanese text on a frequent basis
(using the Rõmaji method); and one thing I love about it is that it is
very easy to toggle between English and Japanese with its default
keyboard shortcut (ctrl + space). Is switching back and forth as easy
with iBus? (And if not by default, is that option at least readily
available?)

Another excellent feature of SCIM, for me, is the
handwriting-recognition features provided through Tomoe. This helps me
*immensely* in my study of Kanji characters since it allows me to search
for the character in StarDict or on Wiktionary when I do not yet know
its readings (and thus could not enter it with the phonetic Anthy/Rõmaji
method) as I can simply draw it on my Wacom tablet and then have it
inserted into the search window. Does iBus have similar capabilities or
a Tomoe plugin of its own?

Thanks. :)

[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 22:33 -0800, Peter Gordon wrote:
> For example, I use SCIM/Anthy to input Japanese text on a frequent basis
> (using the Rõmaji method); and one thing I love about it is that it is
> very easy to toggle between English and Japanese with its default
> keyboard shortcut (ctrl + space). Is switching back and forth as easy
> with iBus? (And if not by default, is that option at least readily
> available?)

Yes, although switching between hiragana and katakana is not as easy
yet.

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

----- "Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams"  wrote:
> Yes, although switching between hiragana and katakana is not as easy yet.

Adding hotkeys for ibus-anthy modes is on the todo list.

[Pete Zaitcev]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:33:36 -0800, Peter Gordon  wrote:
> Another excellent feature of SCIM, for me, is the
> handwriting-recognition features provided through Tomoe. []

This, I suspect, is taking the argument too far. iBus will take time
to catch up with SCIM, like any less mature system. Also consider how
Metacity is less feature full than, for instance, E. But we still ship
it as default. [1]
> From the standpoint of Fedora's architecture in general, I am concerned

with an emerging pattern of trying to fix issues by rewriting everything.
Sure, IIIMF was a disaster and had to go, but SCIM is not that bad.
For me, as a user, it's difficult to estimate just how big the advantage
in maintainability is. What is going to happen when Mr. Huang becomes
bored with this project and moves to the next phase of his life?

-- Pete

[1] In addition, I break kanji up into radicals and look it up in WWDICT
or Wordtank. The search by writing seems like a cute toy, but not essential.
But this is beside the point really: I don't want "my Japanese habits vs.
your Japanese habits" to be an argument. Just FYI.

[Kevin Kofler]

Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> For me, as a user, it's difficult to estimate just how big the advantage
> in maintainability is. What is going to happen when Mr. Huang becomes
> bored with this project and moves to the next phase of his life?

Another rewrite. ;-)

Kevin Kofler