8:33 a.m.
somehow
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-...
is 99megs big!
hmmm... anyone tried it?
L
Neal D. Becker wrote:
Subject says it all.
8:48 a.m.
Lars wrote:
somehow
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-...
is 99megs big!
hmmm... anyone tried it?
L
Neal D. Becker wrote:
i have noticed it today. it's a problem on local build machine. new KDE
rpms will be uploaded on ftp.kde.org for fc2 today.
Than
8:56 a.m.
kool, thanks! :)
cheers
lars
Than Ngo wrote:
Lars wrote:
>somehow
>ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-0.1.i386.rpm
>is 99megs big!
>hmmm... anyone tried it?
>
i have noticed it today. it's a problem on local build machine. new KDE
rpms will be uploaded on ftp.kde.org for fc2 today.
Than
9:29 a.m.
Lars schrieb:
kool, thanks! :)
cheers
lars
Than Ngo wrote:
>Lars wrote:
>
>
>
>>somehow
>>ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/kdebase-3.3.1-0.1.i386.rpm
>>is 99megs big!
>>hmmm... anyone tried it?
>>
>>
>>
>i have noticed it today. it's a problem on local build machine. new KDE
>rpms will be uploaded on ftp.kde.org for fc2 today.
>
>Than
>
>
>
will kde 3.3.1 be in fc3 or it is to late now?
9:33 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide.
would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only,
so this version update was vetoed. Than Ngo wants to have kde 3.3.1
rpm packages for FC3 available from kde.org.
greetings,
Florian La Roche
11:20 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Florian La Roche wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
> kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide.
> would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only,
so this version update was vetoed. Than Ngo wants to have kde 3.3.1
rpm packages for FC3 available from kde.org.
Just to reinforce Florian's point - KDE 3.3.1 packages will definitely be
available _for_ FC3 even if they are not _in_ FC3. These packages are
likely to be one of the first updates available for FC3 after its release.
-- Elliot
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playing with matches.
3:35 p.m.
Florian La Roche <laroche(a)redhat.com> writes:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
> kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide.
> would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing only,
so this version update was vetoed. Than Ngo wants to have kde 3.3.1
rpm packages for FC3 available from kde.org.
3.3.1 is pure bug-fixing. But why should I rant about it, I more and
more get the impression that Fedora tries its best to produce the worst
possible experience for KDE users.
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3:42 p.m.
Frank Schmitt wrote:
3.3.1 is pure bug-fixing. But why should I rant about it, I more and
more get the impression that Fedora tries its best to produce the worst
possible experience for KDE users.
What makes you think that? Of late, IMHO, RedHat/Fedora has been doing
a fabulous job with KDE, so I'd be interested in hearing how you think
their effort is lacking. You even go as far as implying they purposely
make KDE bad, which is, also IMO, uncalled for.
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4:56 p.m.
Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu> writes:
Frank Schmitt wrote:
> 3.3.1 is pure bug-fixing. But why should I rant about it, I more and
> more get the impression that Fedora tries its best to produce the worst
> possible experience for KDE users.
What makes you think that? Of late, IMHO, RedHat/Fedora has been
doing a fabulous job with KDE, so I'd be interested in hearing how you
think their effort is lacking. You even go as far as implying they
purposely make KDE bad, which is, also IMO, uncalled for.
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional RPM
like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia.
-Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as the
SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get
the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
-kdemultimedia has random applications disabled without stating a reason
for this anywhere. Juk or Amarok, I don't recall exactly, in KDE 3.2
and 3.3.0, koncd in 3.3.1
-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first updates",
meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I
downloaded Core 3.
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5:13 p.m.
Frank Schmitt <ich(a)Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
3.3.0
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5:27 p.m.
Le mardi 19 octobre 2004 à 23:56 +0200, Frank Schmitt a écrit :
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.3.1/RedHat/Fedora2/i386/
8:11 p.m.
In general I agree that using KDE on fedora is a bit spotty, it's been better
than other distros in my opinion. only better KDE experience is the
kde-redhat packages. perhaps the two projects could work together for
everybody's benefit?
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
http://kde-redhat.sf.net
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional
RPM
like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia.
as I use the KDE distro
from the above, I can't go either way on this one.
-Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as
the
SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get
the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
that's a bug.
RPM by design is supposed to use pristine sources. if it
doesn't, you should file a bug.
-kdemultimedia has random applications disabled without stating a
reason
for this anywhere. Juk or Amarok, I don't recall exactly, in KDE 3.2
and 3.3.0, koncd in 3.3.1
I'll go with you on this. Juk is the app. Rhythmbox
is a very capable
replacement, but still looks a bit out of place.
-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
Attached
are two files, put them in your /etc/pam.d directory. I found that on
Google.
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first
updates",
meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I
downloaded Core 3.
I can only imagine that's a testing thing.
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2:34 a.m.
Richard June <rjune(a)bravegnuworld.com> writes:
In general I agree that using KDE on fedora is a bit spotty, it's
been better
than other distros in my opinion. only better KDE experience is the
kde-redhat packages. perhaps the two projects could work together for
everybody's benefit?
> -There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
http://kde-redhat.sf.net
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to
yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are
replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there
are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems
when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further on, I trust
Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't
really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
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On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:34, Frank Schmitt wrote:
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding
it to
yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are
replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there
are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get
problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further
on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security
issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys
from kde-redhat.
Pure FUD.
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5:29 a.m.
Jeff Pitman <symbiont(a)berlios.de> writes:
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:34, Frank Schmitt wrote:
> I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to
> yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are
> replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there
> are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get
> problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further
> on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security
> issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys
> from kde-redhat.
Pure FUD.
No, experience. I installed the kde-redhat packages on my
playground-box, after some days there was an upgrade to gtk in the
Fedora updates repositories which horrible brake things. I sweared like
a trooper, spent an hour deleting all the kde-redhat packages and
reinstalling the Fedora packages and decided it was a "tried once, rated
as bad" experience.
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5:44 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 12:29:27PM +0200, Frank Schmitt wrote:
Jeff Pitman <symbiont(a)berlios.de> writes:
No, experience. I installed the kde-redhat packages on my
playground-box, after some days there was an upgrade to gtk in the
Fedora updates repositories which horrible brake things. I sweared like
a trooper, spent an hour deleting all the kde-redhat packages and
reinstalling the Fedora packages and decided it was a "tried once, rated
as bad" experience.
Did you checked the mailing list. The different question are answered
quickly, usually within the same day, and also there other queries related
with the problem you had.
--
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8:39 a.m.
Frank Schmitt wrote:
Jeff Pitman <symbiont(a)berlios.de> writes:
>On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:34, Frank Schmitt wrote:
>
>>I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to
>>yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are
>>replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there
>>are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get
>>problems when updating from one Fedora release to the next. Further
>>on, I trust Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security
>>issues. I don't really know if I can put the same trust in the guys
>>from kde-redhat.
>
>Pure FUD.
No, experience. I installed the kde-redhat packages on my
playground-box, after some days there was an upgrade to gtk in the
Fedora updates repositories which horrible brake things.
FYI, packaging bug (unowned files) were to blame (rh bug #135723)
-- Rex
5:41 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:34:42AM +0200, Frank Schmitt wrote:
>
>> -There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
> http://kde-redhat.sf.net
I know about this project but I don't like it since when adding it to
yum.conf I not only get a new KDE but dozens of other packages are
replaced, too. This means that I get dependencies problems when there
are updates for those in the main Fedora repositories and I get problems
when updating from one Fedora release to the next.
The first point is no longer a problem, those dependencies have been
removed for 3.3.1.
The second problem regarding problems updating from one Fedora release to
the other is unknown. But even if related is possible due to the remark
above it should not be a problem.
Some of the packages that are there are packages that are also on
fedora.us with the same maintainer.
Further on, I trust
Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't
really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
This is FUD in its best form. I assume that you don't trust fedora.us
either then, since Rex Dieter has some packages there. Also you Rex tried to
push all the packages to fedora.us (Extras some day).
Regarding the response to problems Rex is one of the more responsive
packagers I have seen, if there is a problem he answers the same
day, testing and applying patches to fix any possible security problem. He
tracks the upstream channels and during the last two years using packages
from his repository I have never seen other behaviour that could be
described as less than professional.
I would not advise anyone to download random packages from the net and
installing them without trusting the packagers. The problem, at least to me,
is that your sentence seems to imply more than that. And that is simply not
true.
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6:13 a.m.
José Abílio Oliveira Matos <jamatos(a)fc.up.pt> writes:
> Further on, I trust
> Fedora to build quality packages and timely fix security issues. I don't
> really know if I can put the same trust in the guys from kde-redhat.
This is FUD in its best form. I assume that you don't trust fedora.us
either then, since Rex Dieter has some packages there. Also you Rex tried to
push all the packages to fedora.us (Extras some day).
Regarding the response to problems Rex is one of the more responsive
packagers I have seen, if there is a problem he answers the same
day, testing and applying patches to fix any possible security problem. He
tracks the upstream channels and during the last two years using packages
from his repository I have never seen other behaviour that could be
described as less than professional.
I would not advise anyone to download random packages from the net and
installing them without trusting the packagers. The problem, at least to me,
is that your sentence seems to imply more than that. And that is simply not
true.
Sorry. I definitely didn't want to say that the packagers from kde-redhat
don't know what they are doing. All I wanted to say is, that I don't
know if the kde-redhat packages are of good quality, because I've used
them only for some days.
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8:26 p.m.
Frank Schmitt (ich(a)Frank-Schmitt.net) said:
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
Oddly, there were no Core 2 packages for GNOME 2.8 either.
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional
RPM
like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia.
That's due to kdemultimedia's architecture. To the best
of my knowledge, packaging an addon for it is impossible, just
because of the way that it's coded.
-Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as
the
SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get
the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
mp3 code won't be shipped... this includes source.
Bill
4:21 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 23:56 +0200, Frank Schmitt wrote:
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first
updates",
meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I
downloaded Core 3.
Development freeze is that: a freeze. Which means among other things in
general no new upstream versions as they could break more things than
they would fix.
Nils
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5:12 a.m.
-There were no Core 2 packages for 3.0
All an issue of resources and timing. As somebody else wrote, 3.3.1 is
now available.
-It's not possible to get mp3-support by installing an additional
RPM
like it is for gnome, you have to recompile kdemultimedia.
-Since KDE 3.3 it's more difficult to recompile kdemultimedia as the
SRPM includes patched sources, you have to go to ftp.kde.org and get
the original sources and place them in RPMBUILDIR/src manually
Something we cannot change from engineering. Too bad we cannot ship mp3.
-kdemultimedia has random applications disabled without stating a
reason
for this anywhere. Juk or Amarok, I don't recall exactly, in KDE 3.2
and 3.3.0, koncd in 3.3.1
This is normally only done if they don't work.
-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
Send in patches and I am sure Than Ngo will add them. Probably also a bug
in original kde sources or something broken in the RH packaged ones?
-KDE 3.3.1 won't be in Core 3 but come as "one of the first
updates",
meaning that I'll have to download about 200 mb some days after I
downloaded Core 3.
Right, that is a real pain. I would have personally moved kde in as this
is a real bug-fix release, but now it has to go out as an update release.
Thanks for your report and I hope you do enjoy KDE as packaged from us,
Florian La Roche
8:38 a.m.
Florian La Roche wrote:
>-Automatic login with kdm doesn't work since 3.2
Send in patches and I am sure Than Ngo will add them. Probably also a
bug
in original kde sources or something broken in the RH packaged ones?
FYI, it's already fixed in rawhide (and fc2t3 I believe)
-- Rex
8:19 a.m.
Florian La Roche wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Lars wrote:
>kde 3.3.1 is still not in rawhide.
>would be great to have it there.
We've been closing down the trees and try to focus on bug-fixing
only,
so this version update was vetoed.
I wonder how/why evolution-2.0.2 made it in then.
-- Rex
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